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Debunked 'Stanford' mask study headed for retraction

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How can you possibly know that?
 
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How can you possibly know that?

How could I possibly know what? That I would have caught Covid? Because I have severe asthma. If I had caught Covid, I would know it. Having a mask on works. Because the patient always had a mask on when transporting.
 
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Only lots of people who religiously wear the mask still get it. Unless you're tested all the time you could have already had it without symptoms,... in fact the tests are not that accurate anyway, so...who knows?
 
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How could I possibly know what? That I would have caught Covid? Because I have severe asthma. If I had caught Covid, I would know it. Having a mask on works. Because the patient always had a mask on when transporting.
How can you possibly know that the wearing of the mask prevented you from getting Covid?
 
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Only lots of people who religiously wear the mask still get it. Unless you're tested all the time you could have already had it without symptoms,... in fact the tests are not that accurate anyway, so...who knows?

I would have symptoms. I have severe asthma. There is no way that I would gotten it and not known.
 
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How can you possibly know that the wearing of the mask prevented you from getting Covid?

Because. They were Covid positive patients. I have to be in a closed ambulance with them within inches many times of their exhaled breath in order to treat them and do vitals/assessments.

I have severe asthma and I would have known had I gotten Covid. Not really sure how that is hard to understand.
 
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You have no way of knowing that your mask prevented you from getting Covid.
 
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You have no way of knowing that your mask prevented you from getting Covid.

I do and I explained it, but of course, since you don't believe that they work, you're just going to dismiss that they indeed work, even when provided with an example.
 
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And whoever it was that created a thread using this article as support should admit their error. There's no shame, it happens.

It is written...

11 Everyone who makes himself great will be made humble. But the person who makes himself humble will be made great.”
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12 Whoever makes himself great will be made humble. Whoever makes himself humble will be made great.
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I do and I explained it, but of course, since you don't believe that they work, you're just going to dismiss that they indeed work, even when provided with an example.
I’m not dismissing it because of my views. I’m saying that you have no way of knowing that you would have contracted Covid had you not been wearing a mask.

I can just as easily say that by not wearing masks, I haven’t contracted Covid. My proof is that I haven’t contracted it.
 
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I do and I explained it, but of course, since you don't believe that they work, you're just going to dismiss that they indeed work, even when provided with an example.
Maybe you just lucked out. Maybe you have had it. Maybe you have an immune system.
Maybe a lot of things. But if you want to believe in a piece of cloth that's your right I guess
I've seen people think they were virus proof because of the cloth go out and get it. If you don't want it, the only sure way is to avoid people period.
 
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You can continue to choose to believe what you want. I shall do the same. Mask wearing doesn't hurt me and I fully believe that they work.
 
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Same reply to you as I just said to Hammster.
 
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You can continue to choose to believe what you want. I shall do the same. Mask wearing doesn't hurt me and I fully believe that they work.
And that’s fine. I’m not saying that you are wrong for wearing one.
 
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Gosh, it's almost as if some commenters here have read the CDC studies and come to the complete opposite of their evidenced-based conclusions:

Association of State-Issued Mask Mandates and Allowing ...

"Mask mandates were associated with statistically significant decreases in county-level daily COVID-19 case and death growth rates within 20 days of implementation. Allowing on-premises restaurant dining was associated with increases in county-level case and death growth rates within 41–80 days after reopening. State mask mandates and prohibiting on-premises dining at restaurants help limit potential exposure to SARS-CoV-2, reducing community transmission of COVID-19.

Studies have confirmed the effectiveness of community mitigation measures in reducing the prevalence of COVID-19 (58). Mask mandates are associated with reductions in COVID-19 case and hospitalization growth rates (6,7), whereas reopening on-premises dining at restaurants, a known risk factor associated with SARS-CoV-2 infection (2), is associated with increased COVID-19 cases and deaths, particularly in the absence of mask mandates (8)."
From one of the above referenced studies:

On average, the number of excess cases per 100,000 residents in states reopening without masks is ten times the number in states reopening with masks after 8 weeks (643.1 cases; 95% confidence interval (CI) = 406.9, 879.2 and 62.9 cases; CI = 12.6, 113.1, respectively). Excess cases after 6 weeks could have been reduced by 90% from 576,371 to 63,062 and excess deaths reduced by 80% from 22,851 to 4858 had states implemented mask mandates prior to reopening. Over 50,000 excess deaths were prevented within 6 weeks in 13 states that implemented mask mandates prior to reopening.
To summarise: 'Reopening + not masks' = 10 times the number of COVID-19 infections and 5 times the number of COVID-19 deaths compared to 'Reopening + masks'.
 
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I'm sure there is. That doesn't mean it's right.

Masks do work. Period. End of story.

Well wearing a mask won't absolutely 100% prevent you from catching or spreading COVID. But no one claims that it will.

A lot of these people's complaints about masks and vaccines seem to be false dichotomies: if they're not 100% effective, then they're worthless. But no type of treatment or precaution is 100% effective at preventing COVID-19, aside from going off and becoming a hermit somewhere with no human contact whatsoever.
 
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My “complaint” about masks is that they are mostly ineffective. This is based on multiple studies conducted well before Covid. I bring that up because there was no agenda in conducting the various studies.

My “complaint” about vaccines is that there are no long-term studies that show the effects on humans after two and five years.
 
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