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i left my parents' place three months ago and have been on my own now. i finally got a job after a two month search and enrolled for college this week. life is really frustrating for me right now. like, i am constantly hindered by these fears and feel like i'm holding myself back from stuff. i used to do self-injury but god helped me quit that a year ago and now i feel like i have no where to vent.

i have these insane habits that have been with me most of my life and they are the main cause of my frustration: i sustained emotional and psychological and verbal abuse at my parents beginning when i was quite young and subsequently developed habits that have turned into debilitating fear. at my parents the only way to not get beat up, emotionally, etc. was to hide every emotion i felt. let nothing show at all. don't express any hope, love, hate, fear, pain, ANYTHING. don't believe in myself, don't proclaim goals and dreams, NOTHING. all this coupled with SI turned me into an insanely calloused, stoic, unemotional person.

i know these habits are no longer necessary and that they are doing more harm than good now; it's affecting my marriage, my social opportunities, my job, EVERYTHING. it's practically squandering all the opportunity i have to reach my full potential now that there are finally open doors all around me. i feel so stupid being hindered by these nonsense fears yet i am having trouble getting rid of these reflexive habits.

does anyone else deal with this or have any suggestions?
 
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We are the sum total of our experiences. The Good news is we get NOW to have some choice in what we experience.

Moved out, got a job, going to school......That's a full plate, add married, even fuller plate.

I think some level of stress in your situation would be perfectly normal. You seem to be doing REALLY WELL-all things considered, all you need is a few coping skills.

Find things that are portable that you can do on the go-

1) motivational tapes (DO THEM YOURSELF, fill w/ your fav. quotes, scriptures, etc.

2) Music--find some that you find relaxing.

3) Affirmations- same as no 1 only have em handy and say them to yourself. BUT TELL yourself you are somebody, that you are a child of the most High God and thereby special. That God has a plan for you and you must endeavor to do the footwork so that you will be properly trained once you reach your destination.

You are the Head not the tail.. you are Blessed and highly favored, blessed coming in and blessed going out.

GET THE IDEA?



4) Prayer--Try the Serenity Prayer if you are stressed.

5) My God is a Big God---He is Big enough to take care of little old you.

Prayers and Hugs... Try it, what do you have to loose?
 
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i do get the idea. these things you listed sound very well and good and i've tried most of them. the thing is, they change what is going on in my head for momentary lengths of time but i still feel like the deep embedded fear of reaching out and letting the real me live is still there. i dunno. maybe it's just a hard-grounded reflexive habit of over protecting myself from rejection and criticism and failure but sometimes i feel like it's more than that. like it's a fear, an actual, physical fear that captivates and binds me.
 
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i don't have any suggestion beyond prayer... but i want to tell you that your story sounds normal. getting out and flying on your own for the first time is quite an adventure. on that leaves us wondering what we are doing... gets us thinking about all those things that could or might happen. bless your heart. you should post in prayer requests. there is nothing like knowing people are praying for blessings over you. :hug:
 
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Ask yourself the question, what do these habits benefit me = zero, therefore get rid off them. They don't add any substantial good in your life. Your life now only speaks of absurd fear, what is needed in life is not fear, nothing can grow from that. You need to reprogram yourself to be that person you want to be, therefore cast off your fear! Look forward, Go forward, never stand still. Retreat and you will age, Hesitate and you will die.

You are like a rough diamond, which you need to chisel into the person YOU want to be, so that you may become a shining diamond. If you want your life back, you will need to grab it with your own hands, and bring back the power of your life where it belongs, namely with you.
 
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eccl12.13 said:
i do get the idea. these things you listed sound very well and good and i've tried most of them. the thing is, they change what is going on in my head for momentary lengths of time but i still feel like the deep embedded fear of reaching out and letting the real me live is still there. i dunno. maybe it's just a hard-grounded reflexive habit of over protecting myself from rejection and criticism and failure but sometimes i feel like it's more than that. like it's a fear, an actual, physical fear that captivates and binds me.

Your childhood has left deep wounds within your inner being. They don't just go away of even get better. (That's not what you wanted to hear was it?)

You need someone who can listen and piece together waht happened and how you reacted during your childhood. Then you can relate that information back to Jesus. This is a process, not a quick fix. But Jesus is the one who binds up the brokenhearted.

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I am finding it pretty easy to just second Johnnz here. All I would add is maybe if your husband is a good, strong man, open up and share more of this with him. Pray, very true... You need liberation from the things your parents more or less trained you to. The closest thing I can offer you from my own experience is I went through a time when I was very depressed, and considered suicide. I would liken this to your old habit of self injury. It seems you have stopped the habit, but are not yet free of the pressure to do it. What freed me was this -- understand that your life is your own, and that what you do with it is not anyone elses business. Your parents' expectations, the world, etc... I mean, be reasonable, I am not saying toss your husband and anything he cares about, but it is YOUR life, and if you choose to do somet things, fine. IF you chose not to, fine... It is not necessary for you to fulfill others expectations. Once you somehow connect with the idea that your life is your own, to be lived on your own terms, some of this idea you express that you are somehow squandering opportunity may pass.

How that relates to my depression is that at one point I realized why suicide is silly. If people really are THAT bad, they are not going to care. If they are not that bad, then killing myself would merely cause unwarranted pain and confusion. How does this relate to you? I am honestly not sure. It is just all I had to offer here. I felt a similarity between your balled up, pent up way of dealing with things. There is something binding you up in your mind that you need to let go of like I had to let go of the idea that anything good would come of killing myself. And at the moment it all dawned on me, I even realized hey, if I wanted to I COULD do it, but why? At that moment I felt free for the first time in a long time. I had made a choice, knowing my options, even though some of them were no good, I made a choice. >I< made the choice, see where I am coming from?

I sure hope this is more helpful than it feels. :) Anyhow, I will pray for you now and hope the best. Let us know maybe how things turn out?
 
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eccl12.13 said:
hmm, i see your point and i guess it's all about straightening out my screwed up thinking. it sounds like you guys are saying it's all in my head. i'm working on this, it's just very difficult.

Well, I would hate for you to go away thinking you just needed to fix it all yourself. I and I think the others here want to be with you along the way and offer support. :) Just because it is all in your head doesn't mean you can't get a little help now and then.
 
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Shane Roach said:
I am finding it pretty easy to just second Johnnz here. All I would add is maybe if your husband is a good, strong man, open up and share more of this with him. Pray, very true... You need liberation from the things your parents more or less trained you to. The closest thing I can offer you from my own experience is I went through a time when I was very depressed, and considered suicide. I would liken this to your old habit of self injury. It seems you have stopped the habit, but are not yet free of the pressure to do it. What freed me was this -- understand that your life is your own, and that what you do with it is not anyone elses business. Your parents' expectations, the world, etc... I mean, be reasonable, I am not saying toss your husband and anything he cares about, but it is YOUR life, and if you choose to do somet things, fine. IF you chose not to, fine... It is not necessary for you to fulfill others expectations. Once you somehow connect with the idea that your life is your own, to be lived on your own terms, some of this idea you express that you are somehow squandering opportunity may pass.

i have come to the realization that this cycle is stupid and that it's up to me to jump out of it, so i get you there. the thing is, actually doing it is where i'm having the trouble. i know it in my head but for some reason can't do it in my body. hmm. that's where i feel trapped. anyways, i think it has something to do with the fact that when i lived at my parents the only real living i did was in my head....in my physical body i just went through all the motions they wanted me to go through and hid my true feelings and desires and so forth in my head. so now i'm feeling this in my head but after a lifetime of keeping my body disconnected from my head it's as if i'm having trouble reconnecting them. in fact, i guess it'd be safe to say i'm having trouble connecting them for the first time. hmm, interesting. i think i just discovered that this is where the major problem lies.




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How that relates to my depression is that at one point I realized why suicide is silly. If people really are THAT bad, they are not going to care. If they are not that bad, then killing myself would merely cause unwarranted pain and confusion. How does this relate to you? I am honestly not sure. It is just all I had to offer here. I felt a similarity between your balled up, pent up way of dealing with things. There is something binding you up in your mind that you need to let go of like I had to let go of the idea that anything good would come of killing myself. And at the moment it all dawned on me, I even realized hey, if I wanted to I COULD do it, but why? At that moment I felt free for the first time in a long time. I had made a choice, knowing my options, even though some of them were no good, I made a choice. >I< made the choice, see where I am coming from?

yeah, i definitely see what you're saying. I have such great ideas in my head and a whole life waiting to be lived....i know i have quite a lot of potential and an awesome husband supporting me (i have talked openly with him about this--the trouble is it frustrates him so much it's sometimes hard to discuss my probs without arguing but he really has helped me a lot) i just have to figure out how to get out of this mess and on with life.



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Well, I would hate for you to go away thinking you just needed to fix it all yourself. I and I think the others here want to be with you along the way and offer support. :) Just because it is all in your head doesn't mean you can't get a little help now and then.

i just meant that i'm the one who has to do the working out of the things everyone has suggested. like, none of you can just climb into my screwy head and sort things out....you can suggest things and help me along but i'm the one who has to do the work. i appreciate you all being there for me, i really do. this is painful and overwhelming and it means a lot to have this place of support.
 
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Hiya!

Yeah most of us here I think are here precisely because we have had times in our life when we wish we had someone to talk to as well.

It's rought that discussing it with your hubby sometimes results in arguments. On the other hand, good to hear he is generally supportive. All the more reason, though, to perhaps use the resource you have here to bounce things off of people. Maybe take a little of the stress off of trying to work it out with the husband, give him a little respite, then maybe bounce back and forth between him and here, that sort of thing -- share the burden! :)

Are you saying your head and heart are disconnected on some level, or what do you mean by connecting your mind to your body, if I can ask? Is it mostly just not being able to allow yourself to feel or be emotional? All bottled up? The explanation seemed a little hard to understand to me.

Can you go out and scream at the top of your lungs somewhere? :)

Hrm, well... if it did seem to actually help you connect to some part of your problem, then I am glad ya came! Take care okay? And feel free to come back of course! I am now quite interested what you will discover about yourself as you delve into all this.
 
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Shane Roach said:
Hiya!

Yeah most of us here I think are here precisely because we have had times in our life when we wish we had someone to talk to as well.

It's rought that discussing it with your hubby sometimes results in arguments. On the other hand, good to hear he is generally supportive. All the more reason, though, to perhaps use the resource you have here to bounce things off of people. Maybe take a little of the stress off of trying to work it out with the husband, give him a little respite, then maybe bounce back and forth between him and here, that sort of thing -- share the burden! :)

Are you saying your head and heart are disconnected on some level, or what do you mean by connecting your mind to your body, if I can ask? Is it mostly just not being able to allow yourself to feel or be emotional? All bottled up? The explanation seemed a little hard to understand to me.

Can you go out and scream at the top of your lungs somewhere? :)

Hrm, well... if it did seem to actually help you connect to some part of your problem, then I am glad ya came! Take care okay? And feel free to come back of course! I am now quite interested what you will discover about yourself as you delve into all this.



it helps that i can toggle between my hubby and the folks here at cf. a giant blessing. i found a christian counselor and she has a ministry for counseling women so i'm scheduling an appoinment for next week....i'm determined to get this stuff worked out.

the connection thing. rrr. it's so hard to describe. <<deep breath>> let's see....i said i used to do si, right, and that in addition to forcing myself to supress emotion when relating to my family resulted in me being just really unemotional. well, unemotional on the outside. lots always went on in my head. in fact, until last summer when god helped me get out of si i never allowed myself to cry. everything was just always bottled up and kept in my head.

um, so just imagine not expressing any feeling. any feeling regarding anything. my brother ran away and i stared blankly. my mom is chronically ill and i silently watch her struggle. my grandma died and i didn't shed a tear. i got my book published and i smirked. these are real things that i've experienced and the true reactions i had to them. in my head i'm screaming, wailing, jumping up and down but outside i'm stoic....blank. silent. what i experienced in body i did not connect to with my head. say, um, lemme think. okay, say you have tried and tried for this really great job, right? it's something you totally want and have gone to incredible lengths to become qualified for yet when the manager finally tells you you're hired, you don't connect the fact that in body you are shaking his hand and the elation you feel emotionally. make sense? or....another example. say you are a coal miner and you suddenly get trapped when the ceiling collapses on you. emotionally you are freaking out and inside you are filled with fear but outside, you lie there under the rock and coal, motionless, not fighting for air or freedom. dying. what you are feeling or thinking in your head is disconnected from your body and what you are doing with it. I suppose it could be compared to self control to some degree, like you feel like screaming at your in-law but you're biting your tongue....but i guess my prob of disconnection is self control to an insanely distorted degree. Maybe it started out as self control back when i was a child and then over years and years it has developed into what it currently is. i am not sure.

until i left my parents' i did the disconnection stuff to survive, because everytime i *did* express something, it was the wrong thing. i laughed and my sis told me i should have cried. i cried and my sis told me to toughen up. i growled and my mom told me to suck it up. i was contemplative and i was told to say something. i said something and it was the wrong thing. nothing i did was correct, no emotion i felt was on target so to save myself the trouble of getting a lecture or feeling like i failed, i just stopped expressing. i went through the motions of life and became a pushover .... peace at all cost no matter what it required me to supress. all that mattered was keeping everyone else happy with me and not making waves. do whatever they tell me. have no objecting opinion. pose no alternative ideas. just go with the flow and be a puppet in their palm. that was the objective of my life, the reason i existed, my goal to reach. it was a trap be all definition but that didn't matter because i had no other choice.

the only freedom i knew was that which i lived in my head. i lived in ecstacy in my head because in my head i daydreamed about living my own life according to my own wishes and ambitions. i lived a life in my head where i was servant to no-one and no-one was my god; i lived a full and satisfying life where i could do what i wanted without anyone telling me i was wrong to want it; i was free, there were open doors all around me, i could succeed at whatever i wanted to pursue. but to me, living there at my parents, they were dreams.
unattainable dreams. dreams because i thought i would never get out of there to experience them and unnattainable because....because why? i dunno, honestly. i just know that's what i thought of them.

now they are real. they are right in front of me. doors are open wherever i look. i have very little restraints. i'm out of my parents' house and on my own. i'm sharing life with a man who adores me for who i am. he loves to hear my thoughts and emotions. he longs to be a part of what i feel and desire and wants nothing more than to see me fly and reach my potential. but this darn
reflexive wall keeps popping up. i don't even realize i'm holding back a thought or feeling much of the time unless i sit and think hard about it or unless he probes. i had such a hard time finding a job because i was a pushover 90% of the time.

everything my life right now is demanding of me, or offering me, is the total and complete opposite of what i have lived for the last twenty-three years. i used to be bound, now i'm free. i used to be surrounded by harsh critics, now i'm surrounded by loving support. i used to be scared to feel, now i am free to express whatever is inside.

<<wow. this is weird. i just started feeling better when i was listin those comparrisons. wow. amazing.>>

k, sorry for the interruption. what was i saying? oh, just that i'm living a life that's totally opposite what it used to be. that's awesome, really awesome, but frustrating when it feels out of reach due to the difficulty i'm having in letting myself relax and live. i still feel accountable, i guess, to my past. like if i deviate from that other lifestyle i'm goin to hear about it. but from who? that's just it. there's no one that's going to get after me. hmm. this post is really helping me sort this out. i think i'm starting to get it! sometimes i feel like if my parents find out about this or that, such as my school or my jobs or whatever, that they'll get upset but hey, they aren't my god and i'm not their servant. i'm free. i'm a free girl.

woooopppppoooopopopopopopop!!! i think i'm getting it!!!!!!! omw, this is so cool!!!!!!!!
 
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*BEAMS brightly for you*

Wow! Well... :D I hope you're able to express there in person how you did here, and be that happy and all. I am glad you got a counselor too! I wish I could add anything, but I am just so tickled to see you unfolding it for yourself and seeming to find out some things for yourself.

Wow... :D Thank God then, I mean.. I dunno where this leaves you but it looks really good from here!

Hope to keep hearing from you!
 
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it leaves me hopeful i guess. hopeful for the first time in a long time. finding this counselor is a light a floatation ring tossed into my sea of frustration and despair.

i am thinking that the more i continue to tell myself what you and others on cf have been telling me (i'm somebody...i am not accountable to my parents...i'm not slave to my past...i'm free to do what i want...etc.) and as long as this counseling works out i think i'll be well on my way.

mmm, thanks for listening.
 
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There is a book that I really like that describes some of the patterns you mention. "Outgrowing the Pain"

Here is a link to it at Amazon.com. I think the local Library might be able to get a copy for you. Outgrowing the Pain.

It has been three months since you moved out. I think it is important to have some realistic expectations about change. It can take a few years to over come the cause of your fears and to change habitual responses to things.

Realizing that it could take time might help you when you feel that you are not changing fast enough.

I would really encourage you to become active in your Church of choice too. Having positive things to look forward to and be involved with and opportunities to make good new friends is a great thing to do.
 
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oh yeah, I can relate to that...my parents were so cold and emotionless I grew up a Vulcan I'm even limited in showing love to my daughter..I feel it but I don't know the words or how to act b/c I never grew up with it.
What helped me was seeing my parents were nit wits e and I could never care about anything they said about me now in the present...so why care about then?
emotions are hard to tune into, I feel for you
 
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There is a book that I really like that describes some of the patterns you mention. "Outgrowing the Pain"

Here is a link to it at Amazon.com. I think the local Library might be able to get a copy for you. Outgrowing the Pain.

It has been three months since you moved out. I think it is important to have some realistic expectations about change. It can take a few years to over come the cause of your fears and to change habitual responses to things.

Realizing that it could take time might help you when you feel that you are not changing fast enough.

I would really encourage you to become active in your Church of choice too. Having positive things to look forward to and be involved with and opportunities to make good new friends is a great thing to do.


good, i'll look for that book the next time i'm at the library. do you have an author?
 
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oh yeah, I can relate to that...my parents were so cold and emotionless I grew up a Vulcan I'm even limited in showing love to my daughter..I feel it but I don't know the words or how to act b/c I never grew up with it.
What helped me was seeing my parents were nit wits e and I could never care about anything they said about me now in the present...so why care about then?
emotions are hard to tune into, I feel for you

thanks, Gentle, it helps to hear from someone who has actually been there. i appreciate your response and your thoughts.

thankfully, the lord has helped me overcome my anger, resentment and animosity toward my parents and those who emotionally and verbally mistreated me. now i can no longer say i hate them or have no feelings for them, yet my opinion that they were wrong remains the same. i do feel they wronged me and i'm not sure that will ever change, but i have overcome my negative response to their actions.

the thing god taught me about overcoming that response was that i'm not a victim. it's not my fault that i was beat up or left to pursue life ill-equipped. rather, it's up to me to do the right thing with the time and puzzle pieces i've been handed. in other words, god's the one to decide the life i was given and the family and circumstances i was put into; it's up to me to take what i've been handed and make the best of it.

anyways.
 
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You are on the right track.

Reconnecting your mind with the rest of you will take time. Recognise, that when you begin to do this lot of past but supressed hurt will surface too.

Theer is a great verse in Proverbs. Hope deferred makes the heart sick, but a desire fulfilled is a well of life. As you begin to participate in life, to take part in things you really want to do and enjoy you will come alive in new ways.

Our minds and emotions should be conencted from our family life. Hugs, laughter, love, security, acceptance, all help that process. Good relationships will help you. Your husband is obviously great. Maybe you find acceptance of his love hard to believe? If you do, learn to reverse that. It wil nourish your soul to know you are loved.

Learn to talk about feelings, and to hug other people who are safe. Quietly acknowledge that God loves you. Look at nature, and take in its beauty and wonder. Feel the wind, walk in the rain, smell flowers, appreciate the beauty and delicacy of flowers.

Bless you
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