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Hey all;

I have found that lengthy discussion threads can get bogged down with the weight of replies and issues to deal with. Because of this I have been thinking and praying about a way to do actual debates between forum members, like they do on TheologyWeb. THe following is what I came up with, but I wanted suggestions and observations that would help iron out the specifics.

THis is not the challenge itself and should not be taken this way, to any evo or old-age person reading this. This debate applies for me and only me, unless and until such time as others wish to do debates as well.

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Debate Process:
Once debate opponents are chosen, each will begin preperation of a paper on the topic of why evolution/creation is the superior theory. Length, and time limits are explained below. Once the first paper is done, it is sent exclusively to the opponent (no posting on the board before debate is complete, violation of this results in automatic disqualification and the debate is ended), and a rebuttle is written. Once these rebuttles are completed, they too are swapped, and a concluding paper is written. Once all of this is over, the complete papers will be posted on the board together, either in one huge thread, or in seperate threads such as "[Insert names] Debate: Part One," which would contain the initial papers, "Part 2," which would include the first rebuttle papers, and "Part 3," which would contain the final, concluding papers.
The initial papers must be positive analysis of one’s own theory, not a critical analysis of the other. The following two papers are for that purpose.

These debates are not to be a name-calling exercise, or mock-fest for skeptics or for creationists. They should be handled in a peacable, calm, and academic manner befiting intelligent and mature individuals. Evidence is necessary, not the obnoxious insult-mongering of skeptics and old-agers. Any author using volatile language will be asked to alter his sentence as to omit the offending verbiage.

Debate Participants:

I will be manning the YEC position. I am willing to debate any other position, be they evolutionist, theistic evolutionist, progressive creationist, Gap theorist, or any other variety of skeptic. There are no qualifications requirements (e.g. you don’t need a degree to debate me and visa versa).
Each participant can have help from others in constructing his or her papers, though the actual opponent must do the writing him or herself. For example, you could get people to assist in reviewing the paper or helping with research, but the actual debator must be the one to construct the paper. Anyone assisting in the paper must be acknowledged as such either at the beginning or end of the paper, as such:

Special Thanks: (alternately "The author would like to thank the following...) and then list the names.

Length Requirements:

There is no minimum requirement for the papers, but they have a maximum limit of 12,000 words, roughly equivelent to 15-20 pages of text in Microsoft Word, Times New Roman, font size 11.

Writing Time Limits:

From the commencement of the debate, which will be signified by an email sent to my debate opponent, each debator will have a month to write each paper. If a debator completes his paper early, he may send the other debator an email saying as such. As soon as the other then completes his paper, the time for writing that paper is ended, even if only two weeks have passed. Then the papers are swapped and the process will begin again.

Admissible Topics:
There are four broad categories which can be discussed, the scientific, philosophical, historical, and Biblical. These can be discussed in any order, and debators have the right to address any of the four they wish. They could choose to discuss all four, or choose to limit themselves to a purely scientific debate (geology, astronomy, biology, etc), or Biblical interpretation debate, or historical ideas, such as the influence/non-influence of evolution in Nazism, Racism, etc, historical support/non-support for the Biblical history, and so on.

Extrabiblical religious discussion is completely excuded from the disscussion since that is a wide-ranging, indistinct, and highly complex discussion which has much of nothing to do with the issue of creation/evolution.

 

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Micaiah said:
The rules should be structured so that people are limited in what they can directly quote from other sources, or fom those helping them.
You mean like quoting directly from Talk.Origins or something? A section on ethical conduct and "reasonable use" copyright protection clause?
 
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adam149 said:
You mean like quoting directly from Talk.Origins or something? A section on ethical conduct and "reasonable use" copyright protection clause?
I've observed that at times people post quotes and links with little effort to understand what they are arguing. People should be encouraged to state the case in their own words.
 
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Project 86 said:
I think a month time is a little long and could end up causing the debate to drag on. Other then that I think the debate layout looks good to me.
What other time-scale would you suggest? I made it a month because I know that people have a lot of other things they are doing (some people have a life, or school ;) ) so I wanted to give them enough time to make a good case.
 
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adam149 said:
What other time-scale would you suggest? I made it a month because I know that people have a lot of other things they are doing (some people have a life, or school ;) ) so I wanted to give them enough time to make a good case.

I was thinking a week or so. A month per response would be to long for me for example. In a months time other things could come up where I couldn't reply to their next letter. Also you start to forget your train of thought. Also it could just really drag on and be a big waste of time. Those are my concerns mainly.
 
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Tend to agree. A week for a response sounds fine.

I'd suggest you also limit the length of the posts if you want to encourage people to actually read them. The problem with this forum is not a lack of debate and explanation, it is a lack of credible information (mostly from the TE's of course). I'd suggest two pages per post maximum. Force people to get to the point. What are your claims, and what evidence do you have to back up those claims. How solid is that evidence.

Just my $0.02 worth Adam. It is your idea and you sound keen to get the thing going. If you have the time and energy, go to it. Please excuse me if I don't read every debate.

It is great to hear someone so enthusiastic for God's truth, who is studying geology. If you aim to serve God with your abilities, there is no limit to the way He can use you.

God Bless.
 
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Micaiah said:
Tend to agree. A week for a response sounds fine.

I'd suggest you also limit the length of the posts if you want to encourage people to actually read them. The problem with this forum is not a lack of debate and explanation, it is a lack of credible information (mostly from the TE's of course). I'd suggest two pages per post maximum. Force people to get to the point. What are your claims, and what evidence do you have to back up those claims. How solid is that evidence.
My only concern about response time being a week is that I have little time during an actual week to do much independent research. Some weeks I have trouble just keeping up with everything I need to read for classes. Though everyone's points about a month being too long are well taken. What about two weeks?

The other thing is limiting responses to two pages. My initial reaction to that is that this doesn't give us much room to prove our points. I understand brevity, but we also need to be able to prove our points extensively if need-be. A given paper I write is usually anywhere between 9 and 40 pages, with anywhere from 10 to 250 references (though I'm not suggesting that they have to be this long). But the TEers don't believe us when we make a post with references. I'm just saying that it will take extraordinary proof to convince them and two pages doesn't really give us much time to develop this.

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Just my $0.02 worth Adam. It is your idea and you sound keen to get the thing going. If you have the time and energy, go to it. Please excuse me if I don't read every debate.
I appriciate everyone's suggestions. :)

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It is great to hear someone so enthusiastic for God's truth, who is studying geology. If you aim to serve God with your abilities, there is no limit to the way He can use you.

God Bless.
Thank you for your kind words. I feel that about everyone here. Eventually, be it 100 or 1000 years from now, I feel that our view will once again be the majority, assuming the Lord tarries.
 
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Somethng to think about. Who was the most well known and famous person in the world. I'd suggest Jesus is that man.

He never wrote a book, and the things He said were stated simply, clearly and succinctly.

Writing 40 page essays is commendable. Develop and use your God given talents. But remember, God uses the foolish things of the world to confound the wise.

Hey, that is why we're YEC's.
 
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Micaiah said:
Somethng to think about. Who was the most well known and famous person in the world. I'd suggest Jesus is that man.

He never wrote a book, and the things He said were stated simply, clearly and succinctly.
But he also was God, something I don't claim to be. :p

Micaiah said:
Writing 40 page essays is commendable. Develop and use your God given talents. But remember, God uses the foolish things of the world to confound the wise.

Hey, that is why we're YEC's.
Wait...are you saying we're the ones being confounded (I doubt it) or doing the confounding?
 
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