Novaknight said:
Evolution's a religion that says nature is all there is. Evolution is the basis for humanism, communism, naziism, abortion, and so on.
PART 2: HITLER AN "EVOLUTIONIST"?
To answer this charge, let's begin with the following:
From Creationists, Hitler and Evolution
EXCERPT
A common charge made by creationists is that evolutionary theory is "evil" and is the source of racism in general, and of dictatorial killers in particular. The most often-heard assertion is that Hitler and his racist genocide were the product of "evolutionary philosophy".
Henry Morris, for instance, flatly declares, "However one may react morally against Hitler, he was certainly a consistent evolutionst." (Morris, "Evolution and Modern racism", ICR Impact, October 1973) Morris adds: "The philosophies of Karl Marx and Friedrich Nietzsche--the forerunners of Stalin and Hitler--have been particularly baleful in their effect: both were dedicated evolutionists." (Morris, Troubled Waters of Evolution, 1974 p. 33)
How accurate is this creationist finger-pointing? Not very. The creationists are apparently unaware of the fact that Stalinist Russia rejected Darwinian evolution as "bourgeois" and instead embraced the non-Darwinian "proletarian biology" of Lysenko and Michurin (a disaster from which Russian genetics and biological sciences has still not completely recovered). As for Hitler, even a cursory reading of his book Mein Kampf reveals that the true source of Hitler's inspiration and exhortations came from a source that creationists, understandably, would rather not talk about.
Hitler's goal was the "purification" of the "Aryan race" through the elimination of "subhumans", which included Jews, gypsies, Asians, black Africans, and everyone else who was not a white Aryan.
Despite the creationists claims that this was based on Darwinain evolutionary theory, Hitler's own writings give quite a different story. The ICR claims that "Hitler used the German word for evolution (Entwicklung) over and over again in his book." (ICR Impact, "The Ascent of Racism", Paul Humber Feb 1987) Like so many of ICR's claims, this one is simply not true---a quick scan of several online English translations of Mein Kampf shows only ONE use of the word "evolution", in a context which does not refer at all to biological evolution, but instead to the development of political ideas in Germany: "This evolution has not yet taken the shape of a conscious intention and movement to restore the political power and independence of our nation."
Had ICR made even a cursory reading of
Mein Kampf, they would have seen a quite different source for Hitler's racist inspiration than the one they would have us believe.
White Aryans, Hitler writes, are the special creations of God, the "highest image of the Lord", put here specifically to rule over the "subhuman" races: "Human culture and civilization on this continent are inseparably bound up with the presence of the Aryan. If he dies out or declines, the dark veils of an age without culture will again descend on this globe. The undermining of the existence of human culture by the destruction of its bearer seems in the eyes of a folkish philosophy the most execrable crime. Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise." (all quotes from Hitler, Mein Kampf, online version) Actions which aid the "subhumans" at the expense of the Aryan master race, Hitler declared, were an offense against God: " It is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator if His most gifted beings by the hundreds and hundreds of thousands are allowed to degenerate in the present proletarian morass, while Hottentots and Zulu Kaffirs are trained for intellectual professions."
Rather than basing his racism on any evolutionary theory, Hitler based it squarely on his view of white Aryans as the favored people of God. In fact, Hitler solemnly declares that his program of removing Jews and other "subhumans" from the earth is a divine task forced upon him by the Lord Almighty: "What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproductionof our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purityof our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that ourpeople may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the Creator of the universe."
Hitler concludes: "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord," adding "Compared to the absurd catchword about safeguarding law and order, thus laying a peaceable groundwork for mutual swindles, the task of preserving and advancing the highest humanity, given to this earth by the benevolence of the Almighty, seems a truly high mission." For Hitler, removing the subhumans from earth was not a matter of biology or evolution---it was a divine mandate from God Himself, the "work of the Lord", a "truly high mission".
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When the "Hitler was an atheist" argument is shown to be a fallacy, creationists will invariably try to blame Hitler's cruelty on evolution, their second-favorite whipping boy for the evils of the world after atheists/Satan.
FYI, the phrase "survival of the fittest" was NOT coined by Darwin, but by the philosopher Henry Spencer. Furthermore, this phase, reluctantly adopted by Darwin, does NOT mean the survival of the meanest, strongest bad guy on the block at the expense of the weaker. This is the common mischaracterization by religionists and erstwhile "social Darwinists" like the American industrialists such as John D. Rockefeller et al, who first coined the phrase to justify their underhanded, dog-eat-dog corporate warfare and exploitation of their workers. What this phrase really means , IN CONTEXT, from
Introduction to Evolutionary Biology
The phrase "survival of the fittest" is often used synonymously with natural selection. The phrase is both incomplete and misleading. For one thing, survival is only one component of selection -- and perhaps one of the less important ones in many populations. For example, in polygynous species, a number of males survive to reproductive age, but only a few ever mate. Males may differ little in their ability to survive, but greatly in their ability to attract mates -- the difference in reproductive success stems mainly from the latter consideration. Also, the word fit is often confused with physically fit. Fitness, in an evolutionary sense, is the average reproductive output of a class of genetic variants in a gene pool. Fit does not necessarily mean biggest, fastest or strongest..." In other words, who produces the most offspring (leaves more copies of their genes behind) is the "fittest".
HITLER PRO-CHOICE?
What is hilarious about this comparison is that Nazis were dead set AGAINST abortion AND birth-control (just like most anti-choicers). They burned Margaret Sanger's books (very strange behavior on their part if she were really a Nazi sympathizer as most anti-choicers like to claim)
From Die Nacht der Scheiterhaufen: 10 May 1933--Greatness and Tragedy of the German Mind
In May, 1933, the Nazi party decreed that any book, "which acts subversively on our future or strikes at the root of German thought, the German home and the driving forces of our people..." was to be burnt. Students carrying banners toured the streets, rifling libraries, synagogues, and private homes. Works of philosophers, rationalists, poets, and internationally acclaimed authors, which had until then formed part of universal studies, were thrown into the flames. Some of the authors targeted in the book burning campaign are listed below. (see PDF file, page 4 for list)[...]
The list of books burnt includes works by German and non-German Jews, by the American womens rights activist Margaret Sanger and by one Magnus Hirschfeld for his sympathetic studies of homosexuality.
Nazis viewed women as having only one important function, that of perpetual baby factory (when they weren't worshipping at the shrine of Nazi male superiority in their spare time after changing nappies). To that end they outlawed both birth control and abortion which became a capital crimes (punishable by death):
From The Pink Triangle
The Nazis saw the two issues as one. Indeed, on October 26, 1934 a special department on abortion and homosexuality was set up in the Berlin Gestapo under SS Captain Joseph Meisinger. Two years later, on
October 26, 1936, the Federal Security Office for Combatting Abortion and Homosexuality --- the infamous Subsection IIs of the Gestapo --- was organized by Heinrich Himmler in order to "purify the German people and regulate their sexual behavior by rooting out *sociosexual saboteurs*".
Dealing with sociosexual saboteurs (or homosexuality and abortion) the way other subsections dealt with political dissenters, freemasons, etc., IIs fell under control of the Gestapo's political department (or Department II).
From
THIS SITE. If this one doesn't work on your server the same info can be found in the following SITE and is also quoted
HERE
Just how women were treated in Nazi Germany can be seen in this excerpt from
Nazi Attitudes Toward Women :
The Nazis believed that a woman's place was in the home. The purpose of women was to produce babies, bring up children and to care for their home and husband. In the words of the famous Nazi slogan, women were to be confined to Kinder, Kirche, Kuche - children, church and kitchen. They were not allowed to take part in government, the law or education.
At the same time all married women doctors and civil servants and most married women teachers were sacked. They were banned from law courts as judges. lawyers and even as jurors. In Hitler's opinion, "women cannot think logically, or reason objectively, since they are ruled only by emotions". Married women were supposed to have children, not jobs. Childless women were called traitors and mothers of large families were given a medal. (NOTE: This award was satirically called the "Order of the Rabbit" behind Hitler's back)
More here from Hitler's Minister of Propaganda German Women by Joseph Goebbels
Did Hitler ever advocate abortion? Yes, when it was part of a campaign to exterminate all the "subhumans" (the "untermenschen"--Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, "coloreds", etc.). However, the Nazis usually didn't bother with abortion, but either killed those already pregnant outright or just worked them to death. After all, it was so much cheaper and cost effective than trying to mount "population reductions" by sterilization and abortion.
Should you also visit the sites of white racists like Christian Identity, Stormfront, White Power World Wide you will find that one reason that they idealize Hitler is his attitude toward women, abortion, and birth control (they call him "real progressive in the true nature of women's rights"!)
Hitler was NOT
- an evolutionist
- an atheist
- pro-choice
despite what Novaknight would like others to believe in his campaign to slander all those who don't walk in lock-step to his particular version of Christianity.
Looks to me like you are doing nothing here but bearing false witness, NK.