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[chilehed]

I'm with DomainRider on this (sorry DomanRider). What miracles have the catholic church recognized that involve something that we can visually prove, like a limb growing back?

How about ulcer of the right leg with extensive gangrene (1878), abscess in the right iliac fossa with vesical and colic fistulae and bilateral phlebitis (1883), pulmonary tuberculosis (Koch’s bacillae present in sputum) (1892), multiple tubercular abscesses with four fistulae on the anterior abdominal wall (1909), cancer of the uterine cervix (epithelioma of the cylindrical glands) (1947), hodgkin’s disease (1950), tubercular osteo-arthritis with fistulae at multiple sites in the right lower limb (1958), Ewing’s Sarcoma of right knee (1976), or multiple sclerosis (1987)?

http://www.lourdes-france.org/upload/pdf/gb_guerisons.pdf

 

[DomainRider]

Thanks for the link Chilehed, it looks good, although no detail - but the names will be useful

Apparently debate isn't allowed here, so I'm going to have to stop. It's been interesting, so thanks to all.

 

[chilehed]

Thanks for the link Chilehed, it looks good, although no detail - but the names will be useful

I've often wanted to go pick some of the more dramatic ones and get copies of all of the material in the files.

Apparently debate isn't allowed here, so I'm going to have to stop. It's been interesting, so thanks to all.

I'm not sure that you were debating, but yeah, it's not allowed on this part of the forum. Earlier you had asked

I wonder what the procedure would be for accredited miracles that are subsequently found to have a natural explanation.

My response was unnecessarily abrupt, I apologize. I'm not aware that it's ever happened, precisely because the Church is so very circumspect in approving them.

A lot of folks would erroneously make it out to disprove the doctrine of infallibility; none of the determinations about the worthiness of belief in apparitions are matters of doctrine, so they don't fall within the limits of the charism of infallibility. No Catholic is required to believe in any of the approved apparitions.

 

[MattRose]

How about ulcer of the right leg with extensive gangrene (1878), abscess in the right iliac fossa with vesical and colic fistulae and bilateral phlebitis (1883), pulmonary tuberculosis (Koch’s bacillae present in sputum) (1892), multiple tubercular abscesses with four fistulae on the anterior abdominal wall (1909), cancer of the uterine cervix (epithelioma of the cylindrical glands) (1947), hodgkin’s disease (1950), tubercular osteo-arthritis with fistulae at multiple sites in the right lower limb (1958), Ewing’s Sarcoma of right knee (1976), or multiple sclerosis (1987)?

http://www.lourdes-france.org/upload/pdf/gb_guerisons.pdf

Not at all what I meant Chilehed, but it's my fault for not being specific. All the 'miracles' you mentioned are either diseases that can be cured using todays medical procedures, sometimes are healed naturally by the body, or may have been misdiagnosed to start with. I was looking for a miracle that will be considered impossible through medicine. Regrowing of limbs is the best example. No way to misdiagnose a missing right arm (not including fraud of course). By the way, didn't you notice that your list was devoid of miracles involving amputees or people with missing eyes? That's pretty much my point. God doesn't appear to be an equal opportunity healer.

 

[chilehed]

Not at all what I meant Chilehed, but it's my fault for not being specific. All the 'miracles' you mentioned are either diseases that can be cured using todays medical procedures, sometimes are healed naturally by the body, or may have been misdiagnosed to start with...

Honestly, this sounds like you're grasping at straws. Misdiagnosed ulcer with gangrene? Modern medicine 100 years ago? Invisible bacteria and abscesses?

If it's established that they were correctly diagnosed, did not respond to any of the medical treatments given, and were healed in a very short period of time then your objections don't apply. If you're really interested, pick one that has the most likelihood of proving you wrong and do a dissertation on it.