Dead flies in the ointment

[InSpiritInTruth]

In Ecclesiastes 10:1 we read;"Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to send forth a stinking savour: so does a little folly him that is in reputation for wisdom and honor."

I believe this verse has a deeper spiritual meaning, and it speaks of giving the Word of God a bad name by those who confess the Lord, but who are truly hypocrites.

In Exodus 30:22-33 we read...

Exodus 30:22-33

King James Version (KJV)



22Moreover the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
23Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet calamus two hundred and fifty shekels,
24And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of oil olive an hin:
25And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary: it shall be an holy anointing oil.
26And thou shalt anoint the tabernacle of the congregation therewith, and the ark of the testimony,
27And the table and all his vessels, and the candlestick and his vessels, and the altar of incense,
28And the altar of burnt offering with all his vessels, and the laver and his foot.
29And thou shalt sanctify them, that they may be most holy: whatsoever toucheth them shall be holy.
30And thou shalt anoint Aaron and his sons, and consecrate them, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office.
31And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, This shall be an holy anointing oil unto me throughout your generations.
32Upon man's flesh shall it not be poured, neither shall ye make any other like it, after the composition of it: it is holy, and it shall be holy unto you. 33Whosoever compoundeth any like it, or whosoever putteth any of it upon a stranger, shall even be cut off from his people.


This holy anointing oil after the art of the apothecary was symbolic of the anointing Oil of God's Spirit upon the vessels of ministration, who would minister the Truth by way of the gospel. And this holy oil was only to be used in the service of the true tabernacle(Body of Christ), and to the service of the true ministers(priesthood) of the Truth, who are sanctified through the Word of Truth, which is Jesus Christ.

But man has set up his own tabernacles, and his own ministers, who are men of renown and reputation, but without knowledge or understanding of the Truth, which is only given by God through the anointing of the Holy Spirit.

These are those who confess to know Christ, but are truly ravening wolves in sheeps clothing.

The name Beelzebub means "lord of the flies", and in days of old he was refered to as "prince of devils" and "chief of devils." So we can see how these dead flies, who profess to know the Truth, but do not, can cause the healing ointment of the Lord to stink.

These are those who give the Holy name of our Lord, a bad reputation through their lying words, and their evil works being breakers of the law.

Paul said in Romans 2:23-24 to those law breakers and hypocrites of his day;"Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through the breaking of the law dishonorest thou God? For the name of God is blaspemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written."

Even today, because of the acts of unlawful, unruly, and unholy men the name of our Lord is blasphemed among the nations.

These are those dead flies who have caused the healing ointment of the Lord to stink.

These are those who are written of in 2 Corinthians 11:13-14;"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

A tree shall be known by the fruit that it bears. Peace.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Hey bro Im glad you brought this up, Beelzebub, he is equated with an unclean spirit isnt he?

For example here

Mark 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.

Whereas he appears to be equating it here...

Mark 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.


Speaking of blaspheme (as you mentioned it) Jesus mentions In the same context) blaspheming the Holy Spirit in the verse prior


Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:


I dont think they could discern between unclean and clean, or unholy and holy. They were attributing to him a devil, even the prince of devils.

Though I could never make the Beelzebub (Lord of the flies) thing work, I suppose because of the place where the Lord speaks of hissing for the fly, or that of the sending of other flies as was done by the Lord in Egypt. I was like, ok, how am I supposed to catch this? Unless I was trying to connect (or disconnect) "the doing" of a thing (similiarly) with the actual name (meaning") I forget which now but at least caught the equation of Beelzubub with an unclean spirit.

But also since you mention a tree by its fruit, in Exodus, speaks of the land was corrupt by reason of the flies, whereas elsewhere He speaks of making a tree corrupt and his fruit corrupt (likewise)

Exodus 8:24 And the LORD did so; and there came a grievous swarm of flies into the house of Pharaoh, and into his servants' houses, and into all the land of Egypt: the land was corrupted by reason of the swarm of flies.


This one sure threw me off between name and doing, because obviously he has fly control here ( lol, I didnt know how to word that) or rather I didnt want to put it the other way (obviously).

Good post bro

 

[childofdust]

But man has set up his own tabernacles, and his own ministers, who are men of renown and reputation, but without knowledge or understanding of the Truth, which is only given by God through the anointing of the Holy Spirit.

So we can see how these dead flies, who profess to know the Truth, but do not, can cause the healing ointment of the Lord to stink.

I don't think your analogy works... primarily because it wasn't “the one who had knowledge or understanding of Truth given by God” who ministered in the tabernacle/temple. It was the chosen descendants of particular tribes and peoples among Israel. Their service had nothing to do with whether God gave them spiritual insight--it had to do with their lineage.

In Ecclesiastes 10:1 we read;"Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to send forth a stinking savour: so does a little folly him that is in reputation for wisdom and honor."

I believe this verse has a deeper spiritual meaning,

Rather, I would say, this is a wonderful proverb that can be applied in multiple contexts. No “spiritual” meaning needed.

Even today, because of the acts of unlawful, unruly, and unholy men the name of our Lord is blasphemed among the nations.

These are those dead flies who have caused the healing ointment of the Lord to stink.

Rather, as the proverb tells us, dead flies are ways of folly. And these could be many different things—such as acts of lawlessness.

A tree shall be known by the fruit that it bears.

Indeed. But the point of the proverb is that something can get into that fruit and spoil it.

 

[Jedidia]

In Ecclesiastes 10:1 we read;"Dead flies cause the ointment of the apothecary to send forth a stinking savour: so does a little folly him that is in reputation for wisdom and honor."

I believe this verse has a deeper spiritual meaning, and it speaks of giving the Word of God a bad name by those who confess the Lord, but who are truly hypocrites.

In Exodus 30:22-33 we read...

Exodus 30:22-33

King James Version (KJV)



22Moreover the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
23Take thou also unto thee principal spices, of pure myrrh five hundred shekels, and of sweet cinnamon half so much, even two hundred and fifty shekels, and of sweet calamus two hundred and fifty shekels,
24And of cassia five hundred shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary, and of oil olive an hin:
25And thou shalt make it an oil of holy ointment, an ointment compound after the art of the apothecary: it shall be an holy anointing oil.
26And thou shalt anoint the tabernacle of the congregation therewith, and the ark of the testimony,
27And the table and all his vessels, and the candlestick and his vessels, and the altar of incense,
28And the altar of burnt offering with all his vessels, and the laver and his foot.
29And thou shalt sanctify them, that they may be most holy: whatsoever toucheth them shall be holy.
30And thou shalt anoint Aaron and his sons, and consecrate them, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office.
31And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, This shall be an holy anointing oil unto me throughout your generations.
32Upon man's flesh shall it not be poured, neither shall ye make any other like it, after the composition of it: it is holy, and it shall be holy unto you. 33Whosoever compoundeth any like it, or whosoever putteth any of it upon a stranger, shall even be cut off from his people.


This holy anointing oil after the art of the apothecary was symbolic of the anointing Oil of God's Spirit upon the vessels of ministration, who would minister the Truth by way of the gospel. And this holy oil was only to be used in the service of the true tabernacle(Body of Christ), and to the service of the true ministers(priesthood) of the Truth, who are sanctified through the Word of Truth, which is Jesus Christ.

But man has set up his own tabernacles, and his own ministers, who are men of renown and reputation, but without knowledge or understanding of the Truth, which is only given by God through the anointing of the Holy Spirit.

These are those who confess to know Christ, but are truly ravening wolves in sheeps clothing.

The name Beelzebub means "lord of the flies", and in days of old he was refered to as "prince of devils" and "chief of devils." So we can see how these dead flies, who profess to know the Truth, but do not, can cause the healing ointment of the Lord to stink.

These are those who give the Holy name of our Lord, a bad reputation through their lying words, and their evil works being breakers of the law.

Paul said in Romans 2:23-24 to those law breakers and hypocrites of his day;"Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through the breaking of the law dishonorest thou God? For the name of God is blaspemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written."

Even today, because of the acts of unlawful, unruly, and unholy men the name of our Lord is blasphemed among the nations.

These are those dead flies who have caused the healing ointment of the Lord to stink.

These are those who are written of in 2 Corinthians 11:13-14;"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

A tree shall be known by the fruit that it bears. Peace.

Those who have any amount of spiritual knowledge should know that just a few words misplaced (especially on this forum )can cause a damaged reputation. Wisdom often represents itself best in silence when folly or lack of understanding or listening can really stink up one's reputation. There are degrees of truth for those who are anointed with the Spirit too. What stinks is those who say and not do. But it's not even fashionable to hypocracize about what God wants. The fly in the ointment is about who is quenching the Spirit. Those who have the Spirit should study to see what is pleasing to God.

The opposite of the stench of the fly in the ointment in God's sight would be the sweet smelling savour of sacrifice since the time of Noah.....

Genesis 8:21
21 And Jehovah smelled the satisfying fragrance; and Jehovah said in His heart, I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; nor will I ever again smite everything living as I have done.

Exodus 29:18
18 And you shall burn the whole ram on the altar; it is a burnt offering to Jehovah; it is a satisfying fragrance, an offering by fire to Jehovah.

Leviticus 1:9
9 But its inward parts and its legs he shall wash with water. Then the priest shall burn the whole on the altar, as a burnt offering, an offering by fire, a satisfying fragrance to Jehovah.

The odour of sacrifice is love in the NT

Ephesians 5:2
and walk in love, even as the Christ loved us, and delivered himself up for us, an offering and sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling savour.

Hebrews 13:16
16 But do not forget doing good and sharing with others, for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

Philippians 4:18
But I have all things in full supply and abound; I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things [sent] from you, an odour of sweet savour, an acceptable sacrifice, agreeable to God.

Just like the fast of Isaiah is different and accetable to God from that of the hypocrites of religion.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Hey bro Im glad you brought this up, Beelzebub, he is equated with an unclean spirit isnt he?

For example here

Mark 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.

Whereas he appears to be equating it here...

Mark 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.


Speaking of blaspheme (as you mentioned it) Jesus mentions In the same context) blaspheming the Holy Spirit in the verse prior


Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:


I dont think they could discern between unclean and clean, or unholy and holy. They were attributing to him a devil, even the prince of devils.

Though I could never make the Beelzebub (Lord of the flies) thing work, I suppose because of the place where the Lord speaks of hissing for the fly, or that of the sending of other flies as was done by the Lord in Egypt. I was like, ok, how am I supposed to catch this? Unless I was trying to connect (or disconnect) "the doing" of a thing (similiarly) with the actual name (meaning") I forget which now but at least caught the equation of Beelzubub with an unclean spirit.

But also since you mention a tree by its fruit, in Exodus, speaks of the land was corrupt by reason of the flies, whereas elsewhere He speaks of making a tree corrupt and his fruit corrupt (likewise)

Exodus 8:24 And the LORD did so; and there came a grievous swarm of flies into the house of Pharaoh, and into his servants' houses, and into all the land of Egypt: the land was corrupted by reason of the swarm of flies.


This one sure threw me off between name and doing, because obviously he has fly control here ( lol, I didnt know how to word that) or rather I didnt want to put it the other way (obviously).

Good post bro

Good connection Fire, you rightly divided the spiritual from the carnal, the holy from the unholy. And you said you were my carnal sister, but I know better than that.

Leviticus 10:10;"And that you may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean."

Those clean beasts could rightly divide(part the hoof) and chew the cud (meditate on the Word) in order to separate out that which is good, and lawful, and true.

And just as the Lord sent forth that plague of flies upon the land of Egypt, and upon those who would not hear the Truth, the Lord would also send forth a lying spirit in the mouth of those false prophets of Ahab.

2 Chronicles 18:22;"Now therefore, behold, the Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord has spoken evil against you."

It is this same lying spirit in the mouth of many false teachers today that corrupt the land and the people, by casting the Word of Truth to the ground.

Hebrews 10:28-29

King James Version (KJV)



28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Peace be with you my spiritual sister.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Those who have any amount of spiritual knowledge should know that just a few words misplaced (especially on this forum )can cause a damaged reputation. Wisdom often represents itself best in silence when folly or lack of understanding or listening can really stink up one's reputation. There are degrees of truth for those who are anointed with the Spirit too. What stinks is those who say and not do. But it's not even fashionable to hypocracize about what God wants. The fly in the ointment is about who is quenching the Spirit. Those who have the Spirit should study to see what is pleasing to God.

The opposite of the stench of the fly in the ointment in God's sight would be the sweet smelling savour of sacrifice since the time of Noah.....



The odour of sacrifice is love in the NT


Just like the fast of Isaiah is different and accetable to God from that of the hypocrites of religion.

God loves you Jedidia, but in this place I am of no reputation. And if we are to please men only, then how is it we can also please God?

I count it far better to be a living dog, than a dead lion.

Ecclesiastes 9:4
For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.

Peace be with you.

http://www.christianforums.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes+9:3-5&version=KJV

 

[Fireinfolding]

Good connection Fire, you rightly divided the spiritual from the carnal, the holy from the unholy. And you said you were my carnal sister, but I know better than that.

Leviticus 10:10;"And that you may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean."

Those clean beasts could rightly divide(part the hoof) and chew the cud (meditate on the Word) in order to separate out that which is good, and lawful, and true.

And just as the Lord sent forth that plague of flies upon the land of Egypt, and upon those who would not hear the Truth, the Lord would also send forth a lying spirit in the mouth of those false prophets of Ahab.

2 Chronicles 18:22;"Now therefore, behold, the Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord has spoken evil against you."

It is this same lying spirit in the mouth of many false teachers today that corrupt the land and the people, by casting the Word of Truth to the ground.

Hebrews 10:28-29

King James Version (KJV)



28He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Peace be with you my spiritual sister.

Awh Thanks bro but understanding sure doesnt come that easy for me, I sure try to though (stilll growing here) lol. God bless you! I perceive the above the same way bro, I know He repeats a patern, the one I am looking at now, which I havent given much thought, is the frogs, the threefoldness of them in revelation, because as he sent the flies, so likewise the frogs (which we are told are unclean spirits) however as Aaron did so likewise did the magicians, and its here I am having a bit of difficulty rightly dividing. How would you?

For example

Ezek 29:3 Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself.
　
Where to Pharoah (the great dragon) he said (upon threefold)

Exodus 8:4 And the frogs shall come up both on thee, and upon thy people, and upon all thy servants.
　
Again (three) inclusive of the frogs (lor unclean spirits) out of the mouth of the dragon (the beast, and false prophet)

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
　
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
　
And so we see....

Exodus 8:6 And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt.

However the same is done by them
　
Exodus 8:7 And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt.


Flies, frogs ("in" the houses) and "coming out" of the mouths...all the good stuff, which very much mirrors the lying spirit the LORD had put in the mouths on the prophets.

Hey bro, have any more on the frogs, but much better put? lol

Because once I saw both Aaron and the magicians doing the same I have to step back and relook at it, a little unsure there, and my patience for waiting on things sure lacks sometimes lol

But basically, how are you catching this one with the frogs bro, I'd be interested as my curiousity is peeked a little

Anything you can add (or rearrange better) would be helpful

God richly bless you brother

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Awh Thanks bro but understanding sure doesnt come that easy for me, I sure try to though (stilll growing here) lol. God bless you! I perceive the above the same way bro, I know He repeats a patern, the one I am looking at now, which I havent given much thought, is the frogs, the threefoldness of them in revelation, because as he sent the flies, so likewise the frogs (which we are told are unclean spirits) however as Aaron did so likewise did the magicians, and its here I am having a bit of difficulty rightly dividing. How would you?

For example

Ezek 29:3 Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself.
　
Where to Pharoah (the great dragon) he said (upon threefold)

Exodus 8:4 And the frogs shall comeup both on thee, and upon thy people, and upon all thy servants.
　
Again (three) inclusive of the frogs (lor unclean spirits) out of the mouth of the dragon (the beast, and false prophet)

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
　
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
　
And so we see....

Exodus 8:6 And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt.

However the same is done by them
　
Exodus 8:7 And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt.


Flies, frogs ("in" the houses) and "coming out" of the mouths...all the good stuff, which very much mirrors the lying spirit the LORD had put in the mouths on the prophets.

Hey bro, have any more on the frogs, but much better put? lol

Because once I saw both Aaron and the magicians doing the same I have to step back and relook at it, a little unsure there, and my patience for waiting on things sure lacks sometimes lol

But basically, how are you catching this one with the frogs bro, I'd be interested as my curiousity is peeked a little

Anything you can add (or rearrange better) would be helpful

God richly bless you brother

Good eye Fire, your seeing the same thing in the frogs as I am also seeing, not much I can add to that.

The magicians of the Pharaoh were able to mimic the works of the Lord, that is up to a certain point.

Much like false teachers can mimic the truth, up to a certain point.

I believe there is a connection between the three frogs, and the three parts the city was divided into after the 7th angel poured out his vial into the air in Revelation 16:19.

I believe these three parts are somehow connected to the place reserved for the slayer.

Deuteronomy 19:3
Thou shalt prepare thee a way, and divide the coasts of thy land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee to inherit, into three parts, that every slayer may flee thither.

Notice in Exodus 8:2 the Lord said unto Moses to go to Pharaoh and say unto him;"And if thou refuse to let them go, behold, I will smite all thy borders with frogs."

It seems to me there is a connection between the words coasts
and borders.

Kind of like a dividing line(or gulf between) the gates of heaven and hell.

But this is something I am not quite clear on as of yet.

Peace.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Good eye Fire, your seeing the same thing in the frogs as I am also seeing, not much I can add to that.

The magicians of the Pharaoh were able to mimic the works of the Lord, that is up to a certain point.

Much like false teachers can mimic the truth, up to a certain point.

I believe there is a connection between the three frogs, and the three parts the city was divided into after the 7th angel poured out his vial into the air in Revelation 16:19.

I believe these three parts are somehow connected to the place reserved for the slayer.

Deuteronomy 19:3
Thou shalt prepare thee a way, and divide the coasts of thy land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee to inherit, into three parts, that every slayer may flee thither.

Notice in Exodus 8:2 the Lord said unto Moses to go to Pharaoh and say unto him;"And if thou refuse to let them go, behold, I will smite all thy borders with frogs."

It seems to me there is a connection between the words coasts
and borders.

Kind of like a dividing line(or gulf between) the gates of heaven and hell.

But this is something I am not quite clear on as of yet.

Peace.

Well, me neither bro, if it makes you feel any better Im always trying to compare this "to that", see if it works here (or there) and I sure cant say I fully understand, Im still in the "I know in part" place, but I sure love searching these things out I often dont compare like others taking everything in context, but comparing the wording outside the context but within contextes showing a somewhat similiar picture and catch my ground (as to what He might be implying) from those a little better. Little by litle, which is prolly why I am always hesistent to post some stuff, but I figure as long as I say, "I dont yet know" heres (only) where I am comparing, then Im off the hook of wrangling with it, because Im not looking at everything just bits and pieces. I never have a clue, what can I know till He shows me? Not too much, I am at His mercy too.

Cant say, but I have been trying to bring in (by incorporating) other studies into it, and havent yet gotten too far, its like doing the "slip and slide" (slip this one in) and slide that one out and this one in, etc. I stink at that without breaking whats preveiously established and somewhat cracking it some Need some skills here lol

Heres just a small part, nothing solid, because I have another 80% in to incorporate here, but just posting wordings (that sound very similiar) and can somewhat be found in other places, but you already know once I hit numbers I hit roadblocks, and so I'd just better get the principal (at least!) is what I tell myself.

Ok, another pass here...(testing 1,2,3...lol)

Ezek 29:3 Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself.

Exodus 8:4 And the frogs shall come up both on thee, and upon thy people, and upon all thy servants.

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles,which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Which says likewise (doth already work)

2Thes 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2Thes 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Just the wording....

....only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Spilt here...

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


This one shows The LORD leads them forth "with these"

Psalm 125:5 As for such as turn aside unto their crooked ways,the LORD shall lead them forth with the workers of iniquity: but peace shall be upon Israel.


2Thes 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Led forth with the workers of inquity (if a man abide not in me)

John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.


Then that which went forth is sent to gather

Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles,which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

1King 22:20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.

1Kings 22:21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.


1King 22:21 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith?And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

1Kings 2:3 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.


2Thes 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,


2Thes 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Thes 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:


2Thes 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



Probrobly off here and there, just feeling around, there are so many more comparisons, I cant get them under one post, just sorta compare a billion ways and at least a patern emmerges (as you yourself know). I am prolly a little simpler in my comparisons because you know how dense I am with the numbers

Love that little guy scratching his head, its so me LOL!


God bless you brother, I gotta head out momentarily, I fogot hubbys coffee, so I need to haul my butt to the store, catch cha later gater

 

[Jedidia]

God loves you Jedidia, but in this place I am of no reputation. And if we are to please men only, then how is it we can also please God?

I count it far better to be a living dog, than a dead lion.

Ecclesiastes 9:4
For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.

Peace be with you.

Something like those who consider themselves wise in their own eyes gocha

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Here is something else that is interesting about the evil brought on by these spirits like frogs sent forth by the Lord, which the decievers also created by their own means and power.

Notice in Exodus 8:8 the Pharaoh asked Moses and Aaron to "Entreat the Lord, that he may take away the frogs from me, and from my people;"

In this we see, even though the magicians(false prophets) of the Pharaoh(dragon) knew how to create evil, they did not have the power within themselves to take it away, just like the plague of frogs.

And just as man is good at creating evil, or (making his own way crooked) on this earth; man, without the Spirit of God working in him is unable to make his own way straight.


Deuteronomy 32:5
They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.

Job 26:13
By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

Psalm 125:5
As for such as turn aside unto their crooked ways, the LORD shall lead them forth with the workers of iniquity: but peace shall be upon Israel.


Proverbs 2:15
Whose ways are crooked, and they froward in their paths:

Ecclesiastes 1:15
That which is crooked cannot be made straight: and that which is wanting cannot be numbered.


Ecclesiastes 7:13
Consider the work of God: for who can make that straight, which he hath made crooked?

Isaiah 27:1
In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

Isaiah 40:4
Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:

Isaiah 42:16
And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.

Isaiah 45:2
I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

Isaiah 59:8
The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace.


Lamentations 3:9
He hath inclosed my ways with hewn stone, he hath made my paths crooked.

Luke 3:5
Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;


Philippians 2:15
That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom you shine as lights in the world.

What an awesome God!

 

[Fireinfolding]

Amen bro He sure rocks

I just got back, your post made me think of this

Isaiah 19:14 The LORD hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.

Still looking at these things though, very interesting

God bless you

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Amen bro He sure rocks

I just got back, your post made me think of this

Isaiah 19:14 The LORD hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.

Still looking at these things though, very interesting

God bless you

That verse sure paints a pretty picture (not). YAK

 

[Fireinfolding]

That smiley reminds me of what I looked like when I bit into a lemon

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

That smiley reminds me of what I looked like when I bit into a lemon

Is it snowin where you are Fire? I've got a mini-blizzard happin up here in my little mountain. Put another log on the fire, burrrrr.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Is it snowin where you are Fire? I've got a mini-blizzard happin up here in my little mountain. Put another log on the fire, burrrrr.

Here in the south? No

Im jealous though bro, I wish I was there

(heh heh)


I'd take ya on

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Here in the south? No

Im jealous though bro, I wish I was there

(heh heh)


I'd take ya on

I don't know, I was a pretty good pitcher back in my glory days. I might still have a few good throws left in me.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I don't know, I was a pretty good pitcher back in my glory days. I might still have a few good throws left in me.

I dont sweat chu

You better hope you have a few good ones left in ya

A pillow fight might be better

So I dont hurt chu

 

[Fireinfolding]

Where'd he go?

Com on whose da man?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Where'd he go?

Com on whose da man?

You're too much.