What do you think about the idea of the "Day of Judgment"? Does the bible actually use the term "day of judgment"? I was thinking about this today and would like to get your thoughts.
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Day of Judgment
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Zechariah 14
The LORD Comes and Reigns
1 A day of the LORD is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls. 2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake[a] in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
6 On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. 7 It will be a unique day—a day known only to the LORD—with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.
9 The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name.
10 The whole land, from Geba to Rimmon, south of Jerusalem, will become like the Arabah. But Jerusalem will be raised up high from the Benjamin Gate to the site of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses, and will remain in its place. 11 It will be inhabited; never again will it be destroyed. Jerusalem will be secure.
12 This is the plague with which the LORD will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. 13 On that day people will be stricken by the LORD with great panic. They will seize each other by the hand and attack one another. 14 Judah too will fight at Jerusalem. The wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected—great quantities of gold and silver and clothing. 15 A similar plague will strike the horses and mules, the camels and donkeys, and all the animals in those camps.
16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The LORD[b] will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
20 On that day HOLY TO THE LORD will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the LORD’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the LORD Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite[c] in the house of the LORD Almighty.
The LORD Comes and Reigns
1 A day of the LORD is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls. 2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5 You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake[a] in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.
6 On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. 7 It will be a unique day—a day known only to the LORD—with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.
9 The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name.
10 The whole land, from Geba to Rimmon, south of Jerusalem, will become like the Arabah. But Jerusalem will be raised up high from the Benjamin Gate to the site of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses, and will remain in its place. 11 It will be inhabited; never again will it be destroyed. Jerusalem will be secure.
12 This is the plague with which the LORD will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. 13 On that day people will be stricken by the LORD with great panic. They will seize each other by the hand and attack one another. 14 Judah too will fight at Jerusalem. The wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected—great quantities of gold and silver and clothing. 15 A similar plague will strike the horses and mules, the camels and donkeys, and all the animals in those camps.
16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The LORD[b] will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
20 On that day HOLY TO THE LORD will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the LORD’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the LORD Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite[c] in the house of the LORD Almighty.
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Matt 10:15
Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Matt 12:36
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
2 Peter 2:9
The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
2 Peter 3:7
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
As we can see from the verses above, judgement is reserved for the unrepentant and comes at the end of the 1000 years. The righteous are not judged, they are atoned for in the cleansing of the Sanctuary.
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This is where my thoughts were going. I was just thinking of how many people believe that final judgment for the righteous will occur at the end of the world, along with the wicked. This wasn't working for me.
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First off, this is a topic I am interested in studying. I do not yet have firm ideas on the timing of all the phases of judgment mentioned in Scripture, and there are some elements I would like to look at further.
Here is another text to consider:
1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
Here is another text to consider:
1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
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To me, if we see the day of judgement as at the end of the 1000 years, with the unrighteous dead surrounding the city, then of course, those that are within the cities walls may have boldness... they have had the books opened to us and have seen the justice and mercy of God towards those outside the city and how their fate is entirely their own doing.
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Just as a technical note, NONE of those state that this will happen at the end of the 1k years. Only Revelation even mentions the 1k years.
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Not sure. I used to think I knew though
Revelation certainly indicates a judgment after the 1k years.
However, I am no longer sure it is exactly what I first thought. And many other texts in the bible suggest something else. I will get back to you shortly on this. I am still going through all the various texts on the subject. That is part of why I am interested in this thread. Might learn something.
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Yesterday I went through all the verses in the Bible with the word "day" in them just to see what I could find. Often a similar term us used for day of judgment such as day of vengeance, day of slaughter, that day, the day of the Lord, etc.
Today I am going through the word judgment and its cognates. Might help to find things I haven't found before in this regard.
Most of the OT references to the day of the Lord were regarding the judgment on Israel and the surrounding nations at that time, though some of the imagery is also re-used in Revelation.
Today I am going through the word judgment and its cognates. Might help to find things I haven't found before in this regard.
Most of the OT references to the day of the Lord were regarding the judgment on Israel and the surrounding nations at that time, though some of the imagery is also re-used in Revelation.
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Another thought. I mentioned only Revelation mentions the 1k years, and I think this is largely true. However, you might be able to read something like that into Peter's statement about a day being a thousand years ,etc. Though in context that primarily seems to be an answer to critics about the delay of Jesus' coming.
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I am trying to figure out what this text means:
Rev 20:3 and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.
Rev 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.
I had always understood it to be the universal resurrection of the righteous. However, upon looking more carefully it seems to state who is raised to reign with Christ.
The people mentioned as being raised are those who were killed or beheaded for Christ, and those who had not worshiped the beast. This is a bit more select group than we have normally looked at as those being raised.
The ones who had not received the mark would be from the period when that mark was going forth.
It does not seem to state that all the righteous were raised at that time as I had thought.
Also, in the later text regarding the second resurrection it is not clearly stated anywhere that it is just the wicked that are raised.
And it states that if anyone's name was not found in the book of life they were cast into the fire. Why would that even need to be said as if it were just the wicked there would be NONE who's name was not found.
Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Not sure what to make of it all, and I have been trying to figure it out for some time since noticing it.
Other texts outside of Revelation don't seem to help as they seem to indicate a resurrection of righteous and unrighteous, but often picture this happening in quite close proximity with no reference to a 1k years.
Next post I will give some of the texts that seem to indicate both resurrections in close time proximity, sometimes said to be on the "last day" etc.
Rev 20:3 and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.
Rev 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.
I had always understood it to be the universal resurrection of the righteous. However, upon looking more carefully it seems to state who is raised to reign with Christ.
The people mentioned as being raised are those who were killed or beheaded for Christ, and those who had not worshiped the beast. This is a bit more select group than we have normally looked at as those being raised.
The ones who had not received the mark would be from the period when that mark was going forth.
It does not seem to state that all the righteous were raised at that time as I had thought.
Also, in the later text regarding the second resurrection it is not clearly stated anywhere that it is just the wicked that are raised.
And it states that if anyone's name was not found in the book of life they were cast into the fire. Why would that even need to be said as if it were just the wicked there would be NONE who's name was not found.
Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Not sure what to make of it all, and I have been trying to figure it out for some time since noticing it.
Other texts outside of Revelation don't seem to help as they seem to indicate a resurrection of righteous and unrighteous, but often picture this happening in quite close proximity with no reference to a 1k years.
Next post I will give some of the texts that seem to indicate both resurrections in close time proximity, sometimes said to be on the "last day" etc.
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I am going to list some texts next that seem to have a bearing on the timing of the judgment.
Notice the following two texts. The resurrection of the righteous will be at "the last day". But the judgment of the one who rejects Jesus will also be on "the last day".
Joh 6:39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.
Joh 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up
on the last day."
Joh 12:48 The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.
In Acts 17:31 it indicates Jesus will judge the world. Without any clarification it appears it could simply mean everyone.
Act 17:31 because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given
assurance to all by raising him from the dead."
Here the "day of wrath" is when God's judgment is revealed. On that day both the wicked and righteous receive their reward.
Rom 2:5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.
Rom 2:6 He will render to each one according to his works:
Rom 2:7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;
Rom 2:8 but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
From the same chapter.
Rom 2:15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts
accuse or even excuse them
Rom 2:16 on that day when, according to my
gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.
This text may associate the revealing of Jesus (second coming) with the day of our Lord.
1Co 1:7 so that you are not lacking in any spiritual gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ,
I Co 1:8 who will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 1:9 God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
More reference to the day of the Lord.
1Th 5:1 Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you.
1Th 5:2 For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 While people are saying, "There is peace and security," then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
1Th 5:4 But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief.
Here Paul speaks again of the revealing of the Lord, with clear reference to the second coming. It is then that he inflicts judgment on those who do not obey God, and they suffer an eternal destruction. It says this happens "when He comes on that day".
2Th 1:7 and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels
2Th 1:8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
2Th 1:9 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,
2Th 1:10 when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed.
Also associating the judgment on believers with Jesus' coming:
2Ti 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me on that Day, and
not only to me but also to all who have loved his appearing.
In 2 Peter 3 the context is the delay in Jesus' coming:
2Pe 3:3 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.
2Pe 3:4 They will say, "Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation."
It says they forget the word was destroyed with a flood, and is reserved for fire. This day of judgment in fire includes destruction of the earth, AND the ungodly.
2Pe 3:7 But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
But notice then that the day of the Lord, having reference to His coming, will come like a thief and then the heavens will pass away with a roar. Again all this seems to be associated with the coming of Jesus.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.
Jude quotes Enoch who pictures the Lord's coming with the angels as the time to convict all of their deeds and to execute judgment on all.
Jud 1:14 It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy
ones,
Jud 1:15 to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him."
The resurrection at Jesus' voice involved a resurrection of life and a resurrection of judgment, but these appear to be at the same hour when they hear. Some just are resurrected to different fates.
Joh 5:26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in
himself. Joh 5:27 And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man.
Joh 5:28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his
voice
Joh 5:29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.
Joh 5:30 "I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek
not my own will but the will of him who sent me.
This appears similar to Daniel. There is a set time when some away to everlasting life and some to everlasting contempt.
Dan 12:1 "At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And
there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time.
But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the
book.
Dan 12:2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting
life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Jesus indicates that on the day of judgment people will give an account for every careless word. However, He doesn't indicate just the wicked, and indicates that you will be justified or condemned based on those words.
Mat 12:36 I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak,
Mat 12:37 for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
Notice the following two texts. The resurrection of the righteous will be at "the last day". But the judgment of the one who rejects Jesus will also be on "the last day".
Joh 6:39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.
Joh 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up
on the last day."
Joh 12:48 The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.
In Acts 17:31 it indicates Jesus will judge the world. Without any clarification it appears it could simply mean everyone.
Act 17:31 because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given
assurance to all by raising him from the dead."
Here the "day of wrath" is when God's judgment is revealed. On that day both the wicked and righteous receive their reward.
Rom 2:5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.
Rom 2:6 He will render to each one according to his works:
Rom 2:7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;
Rom 2:8 but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
From the same chapter.
Rom 2:15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts
accuse or even excuse them
Rom 2:16 on that day when, according to my
gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.
This text may associate the revealing of Jesus (second coming) with the day of our Lord.
1Co 1:7 so that you are not lacking in any spiritual gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ,
I Co 1:8 who will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 1:9 God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.
More reference to the day of the Lord.
1Th 5:1 Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you.
1Th 5:2 For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 While people are saying, "There is peace and security," then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
1Th 5:4 But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief.
Here Paul speaks again of the revealing of the Lord, with clear reference to the second coming. It is then that he inflicts judgment on those who do not obey God, and they suffer an eternal destruction. It says this happens "when He comes on that day".
2Th 1:7 and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels
2Th 1:8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
2Th 1:9 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,
2Th 1:10 when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed.
Also associating the judgment on believers with Jesus' coming:
2Ti 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me on that Day, and
not only to me but also to all who have loved his appearing.
In 2 Peter 3 the context is the delay in Jesus' coming:
2Pe 3:3 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.
2Pe 3:4 They will say, "Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation."
It says they forget the word was destroyed with a flood, and is reserved for fire. This day of judgment in fire includes destruction of the earth, AND the ungodly.
2Pe 3:7 But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
But notice then that the day of the Lord, having reference to His coming, will come like a thief and then the heavens will pass away with a roar. Again all this seems to be associated with the coming of Jesus.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.
Jude quotes Enoch who pictures the Lord's coming with the angels as the time to convict all of their deeds and to execute judgment on all.
Jud 1:14 It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy
ones,
Jud 1:15 to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him."
The resurrection at Jesus' voice involved a resurrection of life and a resurrection of judgment, but these appear to be at the same hour when they hear. Some just are resurrected to different fates.
Joh 5:26 For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in
himself. Joh 5:27 And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man.
Joh 5:28 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his
voice
Joh 5:29 and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.
Joh 5:30 "I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek
not my own will but the will of him who sent me.
This appears similar to Daniel. There is a set time when some away to everlasting life and some to everlasting contempt.
Dan 12:1 "At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And
there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time.
But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the
book.
Dan 12:2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting
life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Jesus indicates that on the day of judgment people will give an account for every careless word. However, He doesn't indicate just the wicked, and indicates that you will be justified or condemned based on those words.
Mat 12:36 I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak,
Mat 12:37 for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
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Paul also seems to associate the judgment with Jesus' coming:
1Co 4:4 For I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me.
1Co 4:5 Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.
This next text is similar to the texts about Sodom condemning the regions who heard Jesus' preaching, except it indicates that some who repented will also condemn them, rather than just those who did not repent,
Mat 12:41 The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here.
Mat 12:42 The queen of the South will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and behold, something greater than Solomon is here.
The judgment of believers will included standing before the judgment seat, bowing the knee, giving an account and confessing. This is not just the IJ where we are not present.
Rom 14:10 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God;
Rom 14:11 for it is written, "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God."
Rom 14:12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Rom 14:13 Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.
We not only appear before the judgment seat, but it is here that we RECEIVE what is due. This also is not the Adventist IJ.
2Co 5:9 So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him.
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.
2Co 5:11 Therefore, knowing the fear of the Lord, we persuade others. But what we are is known to God, and I hope it is known also to your
conscience.
Judgment comes after death. I suppose the question that is debated is immediately after or sometime after.
Heb 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment
The parable of the talents shows Jesus settling accounts with His servants. This is in person and at His coming. Some are rewarded but the last is cast into darkness.
Mat 25:19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them.
Mat 25:20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, 'Master, you delivered to me five talents; here I have made five talents more.'
Mat 25:21 His master said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter
into the joy of your master.'
Mat 25:22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, 'Master, you delivered to me two talents; here I have made two talents more.'
Mat 25:23 His master said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.'
Mat 25:24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, 'Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and
gathering where you scattered no seed,
Mat 25:25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid
your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.'
Mat 25:26 But his master answered him, 'You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered
no seed?
Mat 25:27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest.
Mat 25:28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents.
Mat 25:29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
Mat 25:30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
At Jesus' coming He will sit on His throne and divide the righteous from the wicked, again showing concurrent judgment. The ones on the right go to eternal glory and the others into eternal fire.
Mat 25:31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.
Mat 25:32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the
goats.
Mat 25:33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the
foundation of the world.
Mat 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
We see a similar seen of sorting in the parable of the net:
Mat 13:47 "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was thrown into the sea and gathered fish of every kind.
Mat 13:48 When it was full, men drew it ashore and sat down and sorted the good into containers but threw away the bad.
Mat 13:49 So it will be at the close of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous
Mat 13:50 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
1Co 4:4 For I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me.
1Co 4:5 Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.
This next text is similar to the texts about Sodom condemning the regions who heard Jesus' preaching, except it indicates that some who repented will also condemn them, rather than just those who did not repent,
Mat 12:41 The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here.
Mat 12:42 The queen of the South will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and behold, something greater than Solomon is here.
The judgment of believers will included standing before the judgment seat, bowing the knee, giving an account and confessing. This is not just the IJ where we are not present.
Rom 14:10 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God;
Rom 14:11 for it is written, "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God."
Rom 14:12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Rom 14:13 Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.
We not only appear before the judgment seat, but it is here that we RECEIVE what is due. This also is not the Adventist IJ.
2Co 5:9 So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him.
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.
2Co 5:11 Therefore, knowing the fear of the Lord, we persuade others. But what we are is known to God, and I hope it is known also to your
conscience.
Judgment comes after death. I suppose the question that is debated is immediately after or sometime after.
Heb 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment
The parable of the talents shows Jesus settling accounts with His servants. This is in person and at His coming. Some are rewarded but the last is cast into darkness.
Mat 25:19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them.
Mat 25:20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, 'Master, you delivered to me five talents; here I have made five talents more.'
Mat 25:21 His master said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter
into the joy of your master.'
Mat 25:22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, 'Master, you delivered to me two talents; here I have made two talents more.'
Mat 25:23 His master said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.'
Mat 25:24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, 'Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and
gathering where you scattered no seed,
Mat 25:25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid
your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.'
Mat 25:26 But his master answered him, 'You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered
no seed?
Mat 25:27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest.
Mat 25:28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents.
Mat 25:29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
Mat 25:30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
At Jesus' coming He will sit on His throne and divide the righteous from the wicked, again showing concurrent judgment. The ones on the right go to eternal glory and the others into eternal fire.
Mat 25:31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.
Mat 25:32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the
goats.
Mat 25:33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the
foundation of the world.
Mat 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
We see a similar seen of sorting in the parable of the net:
Mat 13:47 "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was thrown into the sea and gathered fish of every kind.
Mat 13:48 When it was full, men drew it ashore and sat down and sorted the good into containers but threw away the bad.
Mat 13:49 So it will be at the close of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous
Mat 13:50 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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Out of all those texts that give some indication of timing we see only Revelation that gives a 1k years between resurrections, and the resurrection is not spelled out to be resurrection of all the righteous and then resurrection of all the wicked.
The 1k years occurs only in a highly symbolic book, while in other texts we see direct sorting of good from evil, punishment of the wicked and rewarding of the righteous at Jesus' coming.
The 1k years occurs only in a highly symbolic book, while in other texts we see direct sorting of good from evil, punishment of the wicked and rewarding of the righteous at Jesus' coming.
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Some possible solutions.
- The day of judgment lasts 1k years. This sounded strange to me the first time I heard it. And it still sounds like a reach, but I guess with 2 Peter it is possible, just doesn't seem to follow the usual notion.
- While the texts that talk about some rising to life and some to death don't stipulate 1k years between them, they must mean that based on Rev. Well I suppose, but then what about the ones that show sorting of one from the other?
- Revelation is symbolic and the 1k years means something else. But then what does it mean?
Others?
- The day of judgment lasts 1k years. This sounded strange to me the first time I heard it. And it still sounds like a reach, but I guess with 2 Peter it is possible, just doesn't seem to follow the usual notion.
- While the texts that talk about some rising to life and some to death don't stipulate 1k years between them, they must mean that based on Rev. Well I suppose, but then what about the ones that show sorting of one from the other?
- Revelation is symbolic and the 1k years means something else. But then what does it mean?
Others?
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But the righteous are judged. They are just not condemned.
1Co 4:4 For I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me.
1Co 4:5 Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.
Rom 14:10 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God;
Rom 14:11 for it is written, "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God."
Rom 14:12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Rom 14:13 Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.
2Co 5:9 So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him.
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.
Mat 25:31 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne.
Mat 25:32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the
goats.
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ECR, they are confident because they know God's love and God abides in them. They have no fear because love cast it out. It is not a geography thing. And as the texts I posted earlier show we still appear before the judgment seat.
1Jn 4:16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
1Jn 4:17 By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world.
1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
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It is at Jesus' coming that the secrets of the heart are revealed:
1Co 4:5 Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.
1Co 4:5 Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.
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