Proverbs 4
Hi, (And I am now making edits. I was tired. )
Good morning all. The moderator said she would help with this.
It is the fourth, I read it last night. I will give my thoughts after it is posted and before.
To me error jumps out, and it seems God makes that happen. Life as seen in Proverbs is not to me, life on earth.
To me life in the Bible is maybe life on earth sometimes, but I always translate life this way:
Life is being alive with God, after this earthly life.
Death is being alive without God, after this earthly life.
Those two changes to how I read the Bible with my human experienced mind, allow me to understand and really love the God I know better, as with those definitions, even Adam and Eve makes sense, Biblically.
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Proverbs 4 New International Version (NIV)
Get Wisdom at Any Cost
4 Listen, my sons, to a father’s instruction;
pay attention and gain understanding.
2 I give you sound learning,
so do not forsake my teaching.
3 For I too was a son to my father,
still tender, and cherished by my mother.
4 Then he taught me, and he said to me,
“Take hold of my words with all your heart;
keep my commands, and you will live.
5 Get wisdom, get understanding;
do not forget my words or turn away from them.
6 Do not forsake wisdom, and she will protect you;
love her, and she will watch over you.
7 The beginning of wisdom is this: Get[a] wisdom.
Though it cost all you have,[b] get understanding.
8 Cherish her, and she will exalt you;
embrace her, and she will honor you.
9 She will give you a garland to grace your head
and present you with a glorious crown.”
10 Listen, my son, accept what I say,
and the years of your life will be many.
11 I instruct you in the way of wisdom
and lead you along straight paths.
12 When you walk, your steps will not be hampered;
when you run, you will not stumble.
13 Hold on to instruction, do not let it go;
guard it well, for it is your life.
14 Do not set foot on the path of the wicked
or walk in the way of evildoers.
15 Avoid it, do not travel on it;
turn from it and go on your way.
16 For they cannot rest until they do evil;
they are robbed of sleep till they make someone stumble.
17 They eat the bread of wickedness
and drink the wine of violence.
18 The path of the righteous is like the morning sun,
shining ever brighter till the full light of day.
19 But the way of the wicked is like deep darkness;
they do not know what makes them stumble.
20 My son, pay attention to what I say;
turn your ear to my words.
21 Do not let them out of your sight,
keep them within your heart;
22 for they are life to those who find them
and health to one’s whole body.
23 Above all else, guard your heart,
for everything you do flows from it.
24 Keep your mouth free of perversity;
keep corrupt talk far from your lips.
25 Let your eyes look straight ahead;
fix your gaze directly before you.
26 Give careful thought to the[c] paths for your feet
and be steadfast in all your ways.
27 Do not turn to the right or the left;
keep your foot from evil.
Footnotes:
Holy Bible, New International Version®, NIV® Copyright ©1973, 1978, 1984, 2011 by Biblica, Inc.® Used by permission. All rights reserved worldwide.
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Hi,
For me, some of the above makes no sense with the entire Bible, until I change a few things.
In 6, I would captilaize Wisdom.
In 7, I would capitalize the second usage of wisdom to Wisdom.
In 11, I might capitalize wisdom, to Wisdom.
Yes upon reading further, it really hits home, to Captialize Wisdom in verse 11.
In 16, through 19, we are told of the secret internal lives of those who do what is wrong.
Really it sounds horrible, and it seems it is so, when tested on humans, not that one can doubt what God ever says, successfully. This also ties into lean not on your own understandings, in accepting this as their true lives, merely because God said it is so.
In 22 life is used. Changing that definiton to being with God, after this earthly life, from the normal human defintion of amount of years on this earth, allows it to make sense in Biblically, more to me.
In 22 health is mentioned, and to me that is Spritual health. It is not the other kind.
For me I am in almost total health, spiritually. What I lack is just being in Heaven and having access to all of you, from there, so I can love there, and love anyone God allows me to love here. And if there are ones in Purgatory as the Catholics say, so I can love them.
Yet, physically in human terms, my body had no health that is good. My health is less than what is called health, in human terms.
So it seems health has two meanings. One is what God means in the Bible. The other is what humans mean.
I do substitutions always, to make sense out of the Bible.
In 23 heart is mentioned. To me there are two hearts. Yes, I have seen both of them.
A yes to God forms a heart to God it seems. I say the heart here is that kind of heart, and no other form.
Yes, I am saying heart here is not the physical human heart. I am saying neither is it the human emotion called heart either. It is the emotional responses the come from agreeing with God, and then it is using that.
Thus 23 to me says guard that heart. Guard the yes to God heart, the one that followed God and grew. The one that puts a person into the Kingdom of God.
Is it not possible that the Kingdom of God resides in ones heart, not solely but also? Is it not possible that the Kingdom of God is a place where all those who say yes to God continually reside, but are also every collective Yes to God heart out there?
In verse 27, guarding a yes to God heart, for me, by passing the test of Wisdom, for Absolute Honesty, that heart becomes fuller or is given the ability to love like God loves, and to me loving like God actually loves is called LOVE, and therefore feet, the outcome of decisions of the heart and maybe the mind, cannot result in feet to deceive hurt or kill, rather in feet to heal, feet that lead to tasks of God, first Biblically, then maybe directed personally by Jesus, to heal, to cure other bodies, in health, Spiritually.
I am tired. I have nothing left. Tears are in these eyes now, and I don't know why. Sorry.
LOVE,
...Mary., M., .... .
Everyone read Chapter 4 if it is the 4th day of the month today. Come back and give us your thoughts....Tishri1
Hi, (And I am now making edits. I was tired. )
Good morning all. The moderator said she would help with this.
It is the fourth, I read it last night. I will give my thoughts after it is posted and before.
To me error jumps out, and it seems God makes that happen. Life as seen in Proverbs is not to me, life on earth.
To me life in the Bible is maybe life on earth sometimes, but I always translate life this way:
Life is being alive with God, after this earthly life.
Death is being alive without God, after this earthly life.
Those two changes to how I read the Bible with my human experienced mind, allow me to understand and really love the God I know better, as with those definitions, even Adam and Eve makes sense, Biblically.
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Proverbs 4 New International Version (NIV)
Get Wisdom at Any Cost
4 Listen, my sons, to a father’s instruction;
pay attention and gain understanding.
2 I give you sound learning,
so do not forsake my teaching.
3 For I too was a son to my father,
still tender, and cherished by my mother.
4 Then he taught me, and he said to me,
“Take hold of my words with all your heart;
keep my commands, and you will live.
5 Get wisdom, get understanding;
do not forget my words or turn away from them.
6 Do not forsake wisdom, and she will protect you;
love her, and she will watch over you.
7 The beginning of wisdom is this: Get[a] wisdom.
Though it cost all you have,[b] get understanding.
8 Cherish her, and she will exalt you;
embrace her, and she will honor you.
9 She will give you a garland to grace your head
and present you with a glorious crown.”
10 Listen, my son, accept what I say,
and the years of your life will be many.
11 I instruct you in the way of wisdom
and lead you along straight paths.
12 When you walk, your steps will not be hampered;
when you run, you will not stumble.
13 Hold on to instruction, do not let it go;
guard it well, for it is your life.
14 Do not set foot on the path of the wicked
or walk in the way of evildoers.
15 Avoid it, do not travel on it;
turn from it and go on your way.
16 For they cannot rest until they do evil;
they are robbed of sleep till they make someone stumble.
17 They eat the bread of wickedness
and drink the wine of violence.
18 The path of the righteous is like the morning sun,
shining ever brighter till the full light of day.
19 But the way of the wicked is like deep darkness;
they do not know what makes them stumble.
20 My son, pay attention to what I say;
turn your ear to my words.
21 Do not let them out of your sight,
keep them within your heart;
22 for they are life to those who find them
and health to one’s whole body.
23 Above all else, guard your heart,
for everything you do flows from it.
24 Keep your mouth free of perversity;
keep corrupt talk far from your lips.
25 Let your eyes look straight ahead;
fix your gaze directly before you.
26 Give careful thought to the[c] paths for your feet
and be steadfast in all your ways.
27 Do not turn to the right or the left;
keep your foot from evil.
Footnotes:
- Proverbs 4:7 Or Wisdom is supreme; therefore get
- Proverbs 4:7 Or wisdom. / Whatever else you get
- Proverbs 4:26 Or Make level
Holy Bible, New International Version®, NIV® Copyright ©1973, 1978, 1984, 2011 by Biblica, Inc.® Used by permission. All rights reserved worldwide.
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Hi,
For me, some of the above makes no sense with the entire Bible, until I change a few things.
In 6, I would captilaize Wisdom.
In 7, I would capitalize the second usage of wisdom to Wisdom.
In 11, I might capitalize wisdom, to Wisdom.
Yes upon reading further, it really hits home, to Captialize Wisdom in verse 11.
In 16, through 19, we are told of the secret internal lives of those who do what is wrong.
Really it sounds horrible, and it seems it is so, when tested on humans, not that one can doubt what God ever says, successfully. This also ties into lean not on your own understandings, in accepting this as their true lives, merely because God said it is so.
In 22 life is used. Changing that definiton to being with God, after this earthly life, from the normal human defintion of amount of years on this earth, allows it to make sense in Biblically, more to me.
In 22 health is mentioned, and to me that is Spritual health. It is not the other kind.
For me I am in almost total health, spiritually. What I lack is just being in Heaven and having access to all of you, from there, so I can love there, and love anyone God allows me to love here. And if there are ones in Purgatory as the Catholics say, so I can love them.
Yet, physically in human terms, my body had no health that is good. My health is less than what is called health, in human terms.
So it seems health has two meanings. One is what God means in the Bible. The other is what humans mean.
I do substitutions always, to make sense out of the Bible.
In 23 heart is mentioned. To me there are two hearts. Yes, I have seen both of them.
A yes to God forms a heart to God it seems. I say the heart here is that kind of heart, and no other form.
Yes, I am saying heart here is not the physical human heart. I am saying neither is it the human emotion called heart either. It is the emotional responses the come from agreeing with God, and then it is using that.
Thus 23 to me says guard that heart. Guard the yes to God heart, the one that followed God and grew. The one that puts a person into the Kingdom of God.
Is it not possible that the Kingdom of God resides in ones heart, not solely but also? Is it not possible that the Kingdom of God is a place where all those who say yes to God continually reside, but are also every collective Yes to God heart out there?
In verse 27, guarding a yes to God heart, for me, by passing the test of Wisdom, for Absolute Honesty, that heart becomes fuller or is given the ability to love like God loves, and to me loving like God actually loves is called LOVE, and therefore feet, the outcome of decisions of the heart and maybe the mind, cannot result in feet to deceive hurt or kill, rather in feet to heal, feet that lead to tasks of God, first Biblically, then maybe directed personally by Jesus, to heal, to cure other bodies, in health, Spiritually.
I am tired. I have nothing left. Tears are in these eyes now, and I don't know why. Sorry.
LOVE,
...Mary., M., .... .
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