Day 1/Day 4...and Science

[owen_rocks]

I hope this makes sense. I've been pondering this for a while...let me
know what you think.

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Doesn't everybody use some level of scientific fact/information to assist in bible interpretation? It seems so to me.

For example, in Genesis 1..on Day 1 God creates Light and calls it Day. There is morning and evening.

On Day 4 God creates the Sun to rule over the day. Notice, the sun doesn't
replace the Day-Light created on Day 1, but rules over it. It does say
the sun provides light on the earth, but it doesn't say the Sun-light is a replacement to the day-light created on day 1. Taking a very strict literal view it seems to me that what we know as day-light was created on Day 1.
If the Sun was removed, this would still exist, along with morning and evening.
(Like it seems on a cloudy day..you have morning/evening but you don't see the sun).

However, all the creationists I've read take the view that the Sun replaced the Day-Light created on Day 1. Apparently nobody even knows what the light was that was created on Day 1 (I've heard it was the Spirit hovering on the Day side shining light, some atomic fission or fusion, the center of the galaxy shining..etc.).

Now, my question is..why don't creationists take this literally and say what we know as "day-light" was created on Day 1, and the Sun on Day 4. The day-light created on Day 1 is what sustains plant life which was created on Day 3 (ie. not the sun). And so on and so forth.

It seems like Scientific Facts assist in interpreting these verses. We know day-light comes from the Sun. We know plants are sustained to some degree by the Sun. We know if the Sun was taken away, day-light and morning and evening as we know it would cease.

Doesn't scientific understanding drive the creationist to the view that the day-light created on Day 1 was replaced by the Sun on Day 4?

I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say. I've been a YEC for 15 years, but am reexaming stuff now. If you don't feel comfortable responding directly you can always PM me.

regards,
o/r

 

[versastyle]

To be called a science, it must be covered in atheism.

 

[2Pillars]

Dear owen_rocks,

Genesis 1:1-2 narrate us the condition of the DEEP before the creation heaven and earth got started in the beginning.

"In the beginning God Created the heaven (Air) and the Earth (Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep, (Water) and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

Genesis 1:3 shows us the Light was brought forth into physical existence to turn the condition of the deep (empty) from darkness (death) to light (life).

Jesus or YHWH, the Son of the Invisible God, WAS the Ligth that was brought forth when the Word was spoken in the beginning "LET THERE BE LIGHT". John 1:1; Gen. 1:3

All things were made through/by him: and without the Light (Son) was not anything made that was made. Because, in him (Jesus) is Life. John 1:3-4

Jesus or YWHW provided the Light in heaven on the first three days of creation as he would also be the one providing the Light in the New Jerusalem to come (Rev. 21:23).

"And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb (Jesus) is the light thereof." Revelation 21:23


Below is a brief Scriptural reconciliation of the texts that show us the STORY of the condition of the DEEP before the creation of our heaven and earth in the BEGINNING. (Genesis 1:1)

In the beginning was the Word (Light), and the Word was with God (Father), and the Word was God (Son) John 1:1

"The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, BEFORE his work of old. Proverbs. 8:22

And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep, (Water) and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Genesis 1:2

"The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:2

"I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. Proverbs. 8:23

And God said, LET THERE BE LIGHT: and there was light. Genesis 1:3

NOTE: The Word (LIGHT) was spoken by God in the BEGINNING.

"All things were made BY him; and without him, was not any thing made that was made." John 1:3

"When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.'" Proverbs 8:24

Note: As we could see, based on the reconciliation of the passages including Genesis1:1~3, our heaven and earth at this period of time were still null & void (empty).

"And God saw the light that it WAS good: and God divided the light from darkness. v5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the 1st. day. "Genesis 1:4-5

Btw, that TRUE LIGHT in Gen. 1:3 was not created but was brought forth into physical form -- from the realm of the Invisible Father.

Therefore, since Jesus was the True Light (John 1:9) and the source of LIFE (John 1:4) then the doctrine of Theistic Evolution is FLAWED!


God Bless

 

[2Pillars]

BUMP! BUMP! BUMP!

Dear owen_rocks,

Btw, that TRUE LIGHT in Gen. 1:3 was not created but was brought forth into physical form -- from the realm of the Invisible Father.

Therefore, since Jesus was the True Light (John 1:9) and the source of LIFE (John 1:4) then the doctrine of Theistic Evolution is FLAWED!

Dear owen_rocks,

In addition, Gen. 1:6-8 shows that the 1st. Firmament of Heaven (universe), as God calls it in Gen. 1:8 was formed on the 2nd Day.

The narrative of Gen. 1:1-2 is also speaking of the period BEFORE the 1st Day.

Jesus speaks of this time, in the Garden of Gethsemane:

"And now, O Father, glorify thou Me with Thine Own Self with the Glory which I had with Thee BEFORE the world was." John 17:5

If one believes that In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth (Gen. 1:1) on the 1st Day before the Light, then the Words of Jesus would seem to be in error.

If one believes that the 1st Firmament or Heaven was formed on the 2nd Day, then it would agree with Jesus -- and would show that Jesus came into our PHYSICAL WORLD before the formation of the 1st heaven or universe - the world of Adam, where the Garden of Eden used to be located, before it was later destroyed by the universal flood.

Our present planet (earth) was made on the 3rd. Day and is reserve for fire at the end of this present 6th Day (God's time) of Genesis.

But don't you worry, Jesus told and promise us, Christian, the following....

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to PREPARE a place for you. v3 And if I go and PREPARE a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


God Bless