David Wilkerson killed

OzSpen · Apr 28, 2011

I don't know if I am posting this in the correct thread. Moderators would you please change if it is not appropriate here.

I have just heard that the founder of Teen Challenge and the leader of World Challenge, founding pastor of Time Square Church, New York City, David Wilkerson, has been killed in a car accident in Texas on Wed, 27 April. His wife is in hospital and seriously ill.

He was aged 79. See HERE.

I have a great affinity with Teen Challenge and its drug rehabilitation ministry as I worked for a short time with that ministry in Australia.

In Christ,
Oz

Yarddog · Apr 28, 2011

OzSpen said:
I don't know if I am posting this in the correct thread. Moderators would you please change if it is not appropriate here.

I have just heard that the founder of Teen Challenge and the leader of World Challenge, founding pastor of Time Square Church, New York City, David Wilkerson, has been killed in a car accident in Texas on Wed, 27 April. His wife is in hospital and seriously ill.

He was aged 79. See HERE.

I have a great affinity with Teen Challenge and its drug rehabilitation ministry as I worked for a short time with that ministry in Australia.

In Christ,
Oz

World Challenge

It is true.

56Bluesman · Apr 28, 2011

I was involved somewhat with Teen Challenge when Roger Helle got it up and running in Omaha Nebraska back in the late 70's. I'm sorry to hear about David Wilkerson's tragic death. I've seen the man preach and God used him mightily. However I had to walk away from him and his more recent teachings that he embraced the latter part of his life, with no small degree of controversy that he brought about upon himself. None the less I'm confident that he's gone home to our Lord and I'm praying for his wife and family and friends.

OzSpen · Apr 28, 2011

56,

56Bluesman said:
I was involved somewhat with Teen Challenge when Roger Helle got it up and running in Omaha Nebraska back in the late 70's. I'm sorry to hear about David Wilkerson's tragic death. I've seen the man preach and God used him mightily. However I had to walk away from him and his more recent teachings that he embraced the latter part of his life, with no small degree of controversy that he brought about upon himself. None the less I'm confident that he's gone home to our Lord and I'm praying for his wife and family and friends.

Sadly, David Wilkerson's prophecy in 2009 about a major, imminent catastrophe in New York City did not happen. See HERE.

Nevertheless, he was a humble man of God with a vision. I have written up a brief article on him for my homepage, "Sudden death of David Wilkerson".

Here is what he wrote in his last blog, “David Wilkerson Today” of 27 April 2011, the very day he died:

To believe when all means fail is exceedingly pleasing to God and is most acceptable. Jesus said to Thomas, “You have believed because you have seen, but blessed are those that do believe and have not seen” (John 20:29).
Blessed are those who believe when there is no evidence of an answer to prayer—who trust beyond hope when all means have failed.

Someone has come to the place of hopelessness—the end of hope—the end of all means. A loved one is facing death and doctors give no hope. Death seems inevitable. Hope is gone. The miracle prayed for is not happening.

That is when Satan’s hordes come to attack your mind with fear, anger, overwhelming questions: “Where is your God now? You prayed until you had no tears left. You fasted. You stood on promises. You trusted.”

Blasphemous thoughts will be injected into your mind: “Prayer failed. Faith failed. Don’t quit on God—just do not trust him anymore. It doesn’t pay!”

Even questioning God’s existence will be injected into your mind. These have been the devices of Satan for centuries. Some of the godliest men and women who ever lived were under such demonic attacks.

To those going through the valley and shadow of death, hear this word: Weeping will last through some dark, awful nights—and in that darkness you will soon hear the Father whisper, “I am with you. I cannot tell you why right now, but one day it will all make sense. You will see it was all part of my plan. It was no accident. It was no failure on your part. Hold fast. Let me embrace you in your hour of pain.”

Beloved, God has never failed to act but in goodness and love. When all means fail—his love prevails. Hold fast to your faith. Stand fast in his Word. There is no other hope in this world. (my emphasis)

The amazing thing about David Wilkerson and the people he inspired (I am one of them) was that he loved the unlovely and ministered at street level with them.

In the 1970s, I was on the streets of downtown Brisbane, Australia, running a coffee shop with some other workers, and ministering to the junkies and prostitutes. Why? David alerted me to the need and God moved upon my heart.

That's an amazing statement he made on his blog, "David Wilkerson Today", on the very day he entered the presence of the Lord.

Yes, like me, he was a frail man with failings. I wish he had not made that false prophesy about New York City in 2009. But have a guess what? Even with God's Word before me in written form, I can make errors of interpretation as a fallible human being. The redeemed on this earth are not perfect. That time is still ahead of us in our elevation to glory.

Overall, I judge David Wilkerson to be a humble man of God with a vision that took effect in the lives of those who needed the Saviour.

In Christ, Oz

OzSpen · Apr 28, 2011

56,

56Bluesman said:
I was involved somewhat with Teen Challenge when Roger Helle got it up and running in Omaha Nebraska back in the late 70's. I'm sorry to hear about David Wilkerson's tragic death. I've seen the man preach and God used him mightily. However I had to walk away from him and his more recent teachings that he embraced the latter part of his life, with no small degree of controversy that he brought about upon himself. None the less I'm confident that he's gone home to our Lord and I'm praying for his wife and family and friends.

Because I live Down Under and have not had contact with David Wilkerson in many years, except what I read of the 2009 prophecy on the www and in Christian journals. What were some of his later teachings that caused you concern?

In Christ, Oz

Ih8s8n · Apr 28, 2011

As someone who attended Times Square Church for about a 5 year stretch of my life, I, too, am saddened to hear of David Wilkerson's passing. About 12 years ago, while I was still an active member of that church, I wrote Pastor David and asked for his blessing to branch out and begin a Bible study at my friend's apartment in Pennsylvania. Well, Pastor David gave me his blessing and it was at that first Bible study that I met the woman who is now my wife of 10 years and the mother of our 3 beautiful children. During my time at Times Square Church, there were several times when I disagreed with Pastor David's teachings. That, coupled with some other things, ultimately led me to leave the church. Having said that, as I've surfed the internet and read some news reports of David's death, I also have an overwhelming understanding of how many people's lives he positively influenced for the kingdom of God. Much more than I could ever even imagine to influence myself. My hope is that David Wilkerson is now in the presence of the Lord. For any who are interested, Times Square Church will be doing a memorial service for David Wilkerson some time in the next two weeks and streaming it live from their website:

Times Square Church | Pastor David Wilkerson | David Wilkerson, Carter Conlon, Patrick Pierre, William Carrol, Teresa Conlon, Ben Crandall

May God's comfort be upon David's remaining family and friends in this time of sadness...even though David is probably fully appreciating the joy of the Lord as I type.

Yarddog · Apr 28, 2011

OzSpen said:
56,

Sadly, David Wilkerson's prophecy in 2009 about a major, imminent catastrophe in New York City did not happen.

I definitely respect those that give of themselves to help those in need but I really wonder about those that feel the need to prophesy. They show that, though they love Christ, the voice they listen to is not always Christ.

OzSpen · Apr 28, 2011

Yarddog,

Yarddog said:
I definitely respect those that give of themselves to help those in need but I really wonder about those that feel the need to prophesy. They show that, though they love Christ, the voice they listen to is not always Christ.

While there are those who get it wrong in prophecy and biblical interpretation (I'm one of those), I still believe in the continuing gift of prophecy as in I Cor 12-14.

I have found Wayne Grudem's book, The Gift of Prophecy in the Early Church and Today to be one of the finest expositions I have read.

This is probably not the thread to discuss this aspect of theology. David Wilkerson's book, Set the Trumpet to Thy Mouth, also caused me some concern with its content.

However, he was a man of God who served the Lord faithfully for many, many years. I see where his death was only a few days away from his 80th birthday.

In Christ, Oz

Tergle · Apr 28, 2011

Yarddog said:
World Challenge

It is true.

He lived his life well.

Amylisa · Apr 28, 2011

I'll be shedding tears for him for a long time to come I am sure.
He was very dear to me though I never met him in person. His writing has had a huge impact on my life for decades.

God bless his soul and God comfort his family.

In spite of sorrow I am Very happy for him, knowing how much he longed to be with Jesus! And now he is!!

Handmaid for Jesus · Apr 28, 2011

I think David Wilkerson would say to all of us the same as Paul said to Timothy
Preach the word.

GaryLee · Apr 29, 2011

OzSpen · Apr 29, 2011

GaryLee

GaryLee said:
Rip

Australian Christian cultural apologist, Bill Muehlenberg, has written an article, "David Wilkerson RIP".

In Christ, Oz

Jazer · May 3, 2011

Amylisa said:
I'll be shedding tears for him for a long time to come I am sure.

Nicky Cruz was here twice. He layed on hands and prayed for me. There was no money in it for him, he loves God and he loves people. He has a heart to serve.

I remember David Wilkerson had a urgent message about 1000 fires. Then I was watching TBN and saw a documentary about 1000 fires in Hatti after the earthquake. For me the prophecy was forfilled. But for David Wilkerson he always insisted this was something that was going to take place in NYC. He had some common sense instructions about keeping some money around in case the bank machine goes down. Keep some food around in case there is a run on the grocery store. All the things we saw take palce in Hatti could happen any where at any time without any warning. But esp. it could happen in NYC.

56Bluesman · May 3, 2011

OzSpen said:
56,

Because I live Down Under and have not had contact with David Wilkerson in many years, except what I read of the 2009 prophecy on the www and in Christian journals. What were some of his later teachings that caused you concern?

In Christ, Oz

It had to do with his visions, which did not come to pass, etc, starting back with his first one in the 70's. Believe me, I know a bunch of us huddled around a cassette tape player listening with awe and some degree of fear, to the urgency of David's sincerely delivered, yet later to be proved false vision. I also had some issues with how he flip flopped on the issue of contemporary christian music/christian rock, where at first he was against it, then later he claimed God showed him that it was okay depending on the heart motivation of the Christian artists performing said music, and then he went back to his old position with a vengeance against CCM with his book about the subject. He pulled a lot of scripture out of context in a bad manner of hermeneutics and exegesis to buttress his illogical argument on that issue, and it was a tactic he's also use to defend his ongoing visions, which I have no doubt that he sincerely believed were true revelations from God.

I still think God used David mightily, but sadly he did get off track on a few things that I know I feel were wrong, which he wouldn't be the first Christian and preacher to do so. Paul had to correct Peter, etc, and we are all frail creatures. What I do know is that the man loved Jesus intensely and he has gone home to be with our Lord.

Amylisa · May 4, 2011

"Sadly, David Wilkerson's prophecy in 2009 about a major, imminent catastrophe in New York City did not happen. "

If I remember correctly he didn't specify New York. I think this event is still on its way. Are you referring to the warning he gave in March of '09....or was it March of 2010?

All I know is that within my spirit, lately I keep feeling that something is coming....Jesus has said to me something about 'warn.' And to be living holy unto Him.

Not trying to be argumentative here at all.....we are living in serious times and I think we need to be drawing very close to Jesus and amending our lives in any way He reveals to us. I don't know how to explain it...there's just a caution in my heart.

Okay, editing......here is a link to that message~http://davidwilkersontoday.blogspot.com/2009/03/urgent-message.html

Here is a link from a Homeland Security website. Seems like our government is expecting a catastrophe.

http://www.hstoday.us/briefings/tod...ll-held/d8301e4be8e83beb6e56c4a1be15ff0a.html

This is not the first time I personally have heard things about the New Madrid fault line. I think God is trying to give us warning ahead of time.

There was actually a time in history that the Mississippi ran backwards temporarily because of a severe earthquake. If such a quake does indeed happen it would wreak havoc that we have not experienced. The US Navy has even drawn up maps of what the US will look like after such an event.
Anyway.....we need to stay close to Jesus and also live our witness of Him. I would say we are definitely living in times that are frightening, the ones Jesus forewarned us of~

And there shall be signs in the sun, and moon, and stars, and on the earth anxiety of nations, in bewilderment at the roaring of the sea, and agitation, men fainting from fear and the expectation of what is coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.

And then they shall see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and much glory.

And when these matters begin to take place,

look up and lift up your heads,

because your redemption draws near.”

Luke 21:17-18, 25-28

OzSpen · May 4, 2011

Amylisa,

Amylisa said:
"Sadly, David Wilkerson's prophecy in 2009 about a major, imminent catastrophe in New York City did not happen. "

If I remember correctly he didn't specify New York. I think this event is still on its way. Are you referring to the warning he gave in March of '09....or was it March of 2010?

All I know is that within my spirit, lately I keep feeling that something is coming....Jesus has said to me something about 'warn.' And to be living holy unto Him.

Not trying to be argumentative here at all.....we are living in serious times and I think we need to be drawing very close to Jesus and amending our lives in any way He reveals to us. I don't know how to explain it...there's just a caution in my heart.

Okay, editing......here is a link to that message~David Wilkerson Today: AN URGENT MESSAGE

Here is a link from a Homeland Security website. Seems like our government is expecting a catastrophe.

Homeland Security Today: First Multi-State Earthquake Drill Held

This is not the first time I personally have heard things about the New Madrid fault line. I think God is trying to give us warning ahead of time.

There was actually a time in history that the Mississippi ran backwards temporarily because of a severe earthquake. If such a quake does indeed happen it would wreak havoc that we have not experienced. The US Navy has even drawn up maps of what the US will look like after such an event.
Anyway.....we need to stay close to Jesus and also live our witness of Him. I would say we are definitely living in times that are frightening, the ones Jesus forewarned us of~

And there shall be signs in the sun, and moon, and stars, and on the earth anxiety of nations, in bewilderment at the roaring of the sea, and agitation, men fainting from fear and the expectation of what is coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.

And then they shall see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and much glory.

And when these matters begin to take place,

look up and lift up your heads,

because your redemption draws near.

Luke 21:17-18, 25-28

In that prophecy of March 7, 2009, David Wilkerson wrote:

In David Wilkerson Today, David Wilkerson wrote:

Saturday, March 7, 2009

AN URGENT MESSAGE

I am compelled by the Holy Spirit to send out an urgent message to all on our mailing list, and to friends and to bishops we have met all over the world.

AN EARTH-SHATTERING CALAMITY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. IT IS GOING TO BE SO FRIGHTENING, WE ARE ALL GOING TO TREMBLE - EVEN THE GODLIEST AMONG US.

For ten years I have been warning about a thousand fires coming to New York City. It will engulf the whole megaplex, including areas of New Jersey and Connecticut. Major cities all across America will experience riots and blazing firessuch as we saw in Watts, Los Angeles, years ago.
There will be riots and fires in cities worldwide. There will be lootingincluding Times Square, New York City. What we are experiencing now is not a recession, not even a depression. We are under Gods wrath. In Psalm 11 it is written,

If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do? (v. 3).

God is judging the raging sins of America and the nations. He is destroying the secular foundations.

The prophet Jeremiah pleaded with wicked Israel, God is fashioning a calamity against you and devising a plan against you. Oh, turn back each of you from your evil way, and reform your ways and deeds. But they will say, Its hopeless! For we are going to follow our own plans, and each of us will act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart (Jeremiah 18:11-12).

In Psalm 11:6, David warns, Upon the wicked he will rain snares (coals of fire)fireburning windwill be the portion of their cup. Why? David answered, Because the Lord is righteous (v. 7). This is a righteous judgmentjust as in the judgments of Sodom and in Noahs generation.
WHAT SHALL THE RIGHTEOUS DO? WHAT ABOUT GODS PEOPLE?

First, I give you a practical word I received for my own direction. If possible lay in store a thirty-day supply of non-perishable food, toiletries and other essentials. In major cities, grocery stores are emptied in an hour at the sign of an impending disaster.

As for our spiritual reaction, we have but two options. This is outlined in Psalm 11. We flee like a bird to a mountain. Or, as David says, He fixed his eyes on the Lord on his throne in heavenhis eyes beholding, his eyelids testing the sons of men (v. 4). In the Lord I take refuge (v. 1).

I will say to my soul: No need to run...no need to hide. This is Gods righteous work. I will behold our Lord on his throne, with his eye of tender, loving kindness watching over every step I taketrusting that he will deliver his people even through floods, fires, calamities, tests, trials of all kinds.
Note: I do not know when these things will come to pass, but I know it is not far off. I have unburdened my soul to you. Do with the message as you choose.

God bless and keep you,

In Christ,

DAVID WILKERSON

David Wilkerson did mention New York City as i have highlighted. We are seeing things worldwide that point to a disorderly, even chaotic, situation. I'm thinking of Egypt, Libya, Syria.

I wonder how many have taken David's advice to store up 30 days of non-perishable food. Do you think 30 days will be enough?

In Christ, Oz

luvgzus · May 12, 2011

Prophecies sometimes take years to come true. God will judge New York, as Mr. Wilkerson prophecied, and all eyes will see it. What a great man of God the Lord loaned us for a few years, along with Billy Graham and others.

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