David describes the blessedness...

[EmSw]

Paul refers to words of David in Romans.

Romans 4:6
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

I haven't found any passage in which David says this. Maybe I haven't been diligent in searching for this. Could someone help in finding where David said this?

 

[bcbsr]

Paul refers to words of David in Romans.

Romans 4:6
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

I haven't found any passage in which David says this. Maybe I haven't been diligent in searching for this. Could someone help in finding where David said this?

Ps 32:
1 ¶ Of David. A <maskil.> Blessed is he whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered.
2 Blessed is the man whose sin the LORD does not count against him and in whose spirit is no deceit.

 

[EmSw]

Ps 32:
1 ¶ Of David. A <maskil.> Blessed is he whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered.
2 Blessed is the man whose sin the LORD does not count against him and in whose spirit is no deceit.

Thank you bcbsr. However, that's not exactly what Paul wrote.

 

[bcbsr]

Thank you bcbsr. However, that's not exactly what Paul wrote.

Isn't it?
Here's Rom 4:7,8 in the Greek compared to Ps 32:1,2 in the Greek LXX
Rom 4:
7 μακαριοι ων αφεθησαν αι ανομιαι και ων επεκαλυφθησαν αι αμαρτιαι
8 μακαριος ανηρ ω ου μη λογισηται κυριος αμαρτιαν

Ps 32:
1 μακαριοι ων αφεθησαν αι ανομιαι και ων επεκαλυφθησαν αι αμαρτιαι
2 μακαριος ανηρ ου ου μη λογισηται κυριος αμαρτιαν ουδε εστιν εν τω στοματι αυτου δολος

Yep word for word. Though Paul left off the last phrase of Ps 32:2

And typically all the OT quotes in the NT tend to be word for word in line with the LXX but for few exceptions.

 

[EmSw]

Isn't it?
Here's Rom 4:7,8 in the Greek compared to Ps 32:1,2 in the Greek LXX
Rom 4:
7 μακαριοι ων αφεθησαν αι ανομιαι και ων επεκαλυφθησαν αι αμαρτιαι
8 μακαριος ανηρ ω ου μη λογισηται κυριος αμαρτιαν

Ps 32:
1 μακαριοι ων αφεθησαν αι ανομιαι και ων επεκαλυφθησαν αι αμαρτιαι
2 μακαριος ανηρ ου ου μη λογισηται κυριος αμαρτιαν ουδε εστιν εν τω στοματι αυτου δολος

Yep word for word. Though Paul left off the last phrase of Ps 32:2

And typically all the OT quotes in the NT tend to be word for word in line with the LXX but for few exceptions.

But didn't the LXX have some glaring errors in it?

Where does it say 'God imputeth righteousness without works'?

 

[bcbsr]

But didn't the LXX have some glaring errors in it?

Where does it say 'God imputeth righteousness without works'?

What errors? You're saying that Paul was in error when he said that God credits righteousness apart from works?

 

[EmSw]

What errors? You're saying that Paul was in error when he said that God credits righteousness apart from works?

Paul tells us David said it. Where did David say that?

 

[bcbsr]

Paul tells us David said it. Where did David say that?

Seems you're confused about a basic concept of language:

6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7 "Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will never count against him."

Verse 7,8 Paul quotes what David actually said word for word
Verse 6 Paul is proposing what David meant - what he said in effect.

What work did David do for his sins to have been forgotten? Nothing. He simply confessed his sins, which is not a work. You don't get paid for calling sin for what it is. The same with the Abraham's example at the beginning of Romans 1. What work did Abraham do for him to be reckoned righteous? No work, but simply belief.

Now you can either accept what Paul says, his interpretation of scripture, or you chose to not believe the gospel. Your choice.

 

[EmSw]

Seems you're confused about a basic concept of language:

6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7 "Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will never count against him."

Verse 7,8 Paul quotes what David actually said word for word
Verse 6 Paul is proposing what David meant - what he said in effect.

What work did David do for his sins to have been forgotten? Nothing. He simply confessed his sins, which is not a work. You don't get paid for calling sin for what it is. The same with the Abraham's example at the beginning of Romans 1. What work did Abraham do for him to be reckoned righteous? No work, but simply belief.

Now you can either accept what Paul says, his interpretation of scripture, or you chose to not believe the gospel. Your choice.

Really? Come on now. Don't you know what is said about adding to the word of God?

Deuteronomy 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Proverbs 30
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

As far as Abraham, James tells us how it was -

James 2
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

Proverbs tells us if anyone adds to God's word, He will reprove them and find him a liar.

My choice is to believe what was actually written, and not someone who adds to what was written.

Since David did not say what Paul attributed to him, Paul is lying when he says 'even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works'.

 

[bcbsr]

Since David did not say what Paul attributed to him, Paul is lying when he says 'even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works'.

So you're misconstruing what Paul is saying and now claiming that the apostle Paul is lying. I thought only Christians were allowed to post on this forum.

 

[eleos1954]

Really? Come on now. Don't you know what is said about adding to the word of God?

Deuteronomy 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Proverbs 30
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

As far as Abraham, James tells us how it was -

James 2
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

Proverbs tells us if anyone adds to God's word, He will reprove them and find him a liar.

My choice is to believe what was actually written, and not someone who adds to what was written.

Since David did not say what Paul attributed to him, Paul is lying when he says 'even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works'.

Really?

Exodus 20

14 You shall not commit adultery

Jesus said:

Matthew 5:28

But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Did Jesus lie? Of course not.

2nd Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

How much? All of it ... including the apostle Paul.

Proverbs 3

5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding;

May the Lord bring you understanding. Amen.

 

[EmSw]

Really?

Exodus 20

14 You shall not commit adultery

Jesus said:

Matthew 5:28

But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Do you have a problem with Jesus explaining His own word?

2nd Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

How much? All of it ... including the apostle Paul.

Oops. Do you know what scripture Paul was speaking of? It sure wasn't his own words.

5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding;

May the Lord bring you understanding. Amen.

Oh He has.

Proverbs 14:5
A faithful witness will not lie; but a false witness uttereth lies.

 

[Gr8Grace]

Paul refers to words of David in Romans.

Romans 4:6
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

I haven't found any passage in which David says this. Maybe I haven't been diligent in searching for this. Could someone help in finding where David said this?

Have you ever read Genesis 15:6? Where David refers to the words of Moses(inspired) from Genesis 15:6 and quotes them in Psalm 32:1-2? And that is what Paul is quoting?

Gen 15:6~~New American Standard Bible
Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned(imputed/credited) it to him as righteousness.

 

[EmSw]

Have you ever read Genesis 15:6? Where David refers to the words of Moses(inspired) from Genesis 15:6 and quotes them in Psalm 32:1-2? And that is what Paul is quoting?

Gen 15:6~~New American Standard Bible
Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned(imputed/credited) it to him as righteousness.

That is not what Paul is quoting. Paul specifically mentions David, and not Moses.

You all will say anything, won't you?

Here it is again. Where in the world is Moses mentioned?

Romans 4:6
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Where does David 'describe' this?

 

[Gr8Grace]

Where does David 'describe' this?

In Psalm 32. Are you contending that David is a deceiver because he didn't 'exactly' quote Gen 15:6?

Gen 15:6, Psalm 32 and PAUL in Rom 4 ALL describe the same principle.

Imputed righteous.

And PAUL, who you hate, even carries this thought out a few verses later.


Rom 4:9~~New American Standard Bible
Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS."

Gen 15:6~~New American Standard Bible
Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.

You will say anything to discredit Paul......won't ya?

 

[EmSw]

In Psalm 32. Are you contending that David is a deceiver because he didn't 'exactly' quote Gen 15:6?

Gen 15:6, Psalm 32 and PAUL in Rom 4 ALL describe the same principle.

Imputed righteous.

And PAUL, who you hate, even carries this thought out a few verses later.

Oh no, David is not a deceiver; he said nothing about 'the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works'.

David never hinted at this principle.

Rom 4:9~~New American Standard Bible
Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS."

Gen 15:6~~New American Standard Bible
Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.

David wasn't speaking of Abraham.

You will say anything to discredit Paul......won't ya?

As Jesus said in Matthew 12:37 -

For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Paul discredits himself.

In Psalm 32. Are you contending that David is a deceiver because he didn't 'exactly' quote Gen 15:6?

I never said David was a deceiver. Why are you bringing this up?

Gen 15:6, Psalm 32 and PAUL in Rom 4 ALL describe the same principle.

Imputed righteous.

David said nothing of imputed righteousness.

And PAUL, who you hate, even carries this thought out a few verses later.

Rom 4:9~~New American Standard Bible
Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS."

Gen 15:6~~New American Standard Bible
Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.

You will say anything to discredit Paul......won't ya?

Again, David did not say this. I didn't put these words in Paul's mouth.

 

[St. Helens]

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