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David Brooks: What if We’re the Bad Guys Here?

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That's not a fair critique, and I'll explain why...

Trump promoted the vaccines (it's one of the few things he was willing to get booed at his own rally for)....for superficial reasons? Likely, he likes to take credit for "operation warp speed" and claim the covid vaccines as his own as if he was in the lab working on them. If you recall, Trump was trying to get the vaccines rolled out earlier (for selfish reasons abeit) so he could take credit for them. Kamala Harris and Biden both cast shade on it for reasons resembling "I'm not going to take something just because Trump says it's okay and he wants to act like a hero"...fast forward a few months "if you don't take the very same vaccine I cast shade on a few months back, you're selfish and not doing your part to end the pandemic"

Mainstream media is largely on the left (he may use harsh language to convey that point), but it's true none the less

Social media companies are/were largely on the left. The fact that a moderate like Musk buying one of the companies caused pearl clutching is evidence of that

Trump never said any gun restrictions were bad...another thing he took flak from his own party for was when he supported red flag laws and made the comment of "I say we should take the guns first"

Obviously he's wrong when he said the election was rigged and courts are leftist...the courts are balanced, and he claimed the election was rigged because his ego won't let him believe he lost.

Many on the left do identify with socialism now...they may have an incorrect definition of it. But when you have groups of left leaning protestors waving hammer and sickle flags and groups (that the left wing supported) saying they support marxism and wanting to dismantle capitalism, they kinda giftwrapped that talking point for him.
Because, like I noted before, money isn't everything to everyone... many people may prefer Bernie's economic policies, but not at the expense of having to embrace modern gender theory or change their tune on abortion.
This is a culture war issue and these aren't political policies.
Correct, that was my point... there are plenty of people who support the policies of the left, but the thing that stops them from voting for the are the cultural issues.
People are allowed to not have abortions, people are allowed to not be LGBT, Govt isn't forcing this on anyone.
They're not forcing people to partake in those activities, but there certainly is a push to make people to accept those things even if they don't want to (right or wrong)

For instance, if there was a political party that agreed with you 100% economically, but one of the buy-ins was you had to pretend that AR-15's were awesome, and climate change is a hoax, would you support that party? Or would have some issues with it?
Neither side are "across the board" pragmatists...we shouldn't kid ourselves on that one. Both sides are appealing to things for the "feels" and ignoring common sense.
Could you provide an example here. I don't understand what you mean about "forced to give lip service to certain progressive ideologies"
Like, what ideology, and how is it that govt are forcing this on entities?
Sure, the big example is LGBT issues. When some on the left frame the arguments around "Life saving care" (implying that if you disagree with them on anything, you must be okay with people committing suicide), that's a level of emotional manipulation and gaslighting that people wouldn't tolerate in most other circumstances when considered rationally.

When people like Beto O'Rouke get up and say "any church that refuses to perform same sex marriages should be striped of their 501c3 status" to a massive round of applause, that's an implication that "you do things our way or face consequences"

I've mentioned before, when "the bar" gets moved from tolerance to "you have to see this as a good thing", that's when backlash occurs.
 
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I’m not a fan but one thing Trump does is listen to people. Then he talks about the things that people care about. He talks about a lot of other things he shouldn’t but people are willing to overlook that because they feel someone is listening to them
 
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Trump promoted the vaccines (it's one of the few things he was willing to get booed at his own rally for).
Trump hid the fact that he got the vaccine. While other leaders were getting vaccinated on camera, Trump did not.
Trump was promoting HCQ when his scientists were saying that although it looked promising, that there wasn't enough evidence yet to support/promote it.



Likely, he likes to take credit for "operation warp speed" and claim the covid vaccines as his own as if he was in the lab working on them.
Yeah, he went a bit overboard. Even claiming that since he had an uncle that was a scientist that somehow he has "science" in his being.
But anyway, I'd rather him brag and promote the vaccine than not promote it. He left it very late, but he did eventually promote it.

If you recall, Trump was trying to get the vaccines rolled out earlier (for selfish reasons abeit) so he could take credit for them.
Yes, he was purely political about the matter.

Kamala Harris and Biden both cast shade on it for reasons resembling "I'm not going to take something just because Trump says it's okay and he wants to act like a hero".
Well, the Right have been casting a weird spin and apparently you have been listening and taking this on board.
What Karmala and Biden said was that if the Science professionals say its good then they will take their word for it, rather than Trump's.

I think it is reasonable for people to be worried about operation warp speed, worried about whether important corners were cut.
Ultimately the qualified scientists said this was properly tested and was safe and effective, and Biden and Fauci took their vaccines on camera.

..fast forward a few months "if you don't take the very same vaccine I cast shade on a few months back, you're selfish and not doing your part to end the pandemic"
Well, you know. Once Fauci and CDC and FDA and such said the vaccine was tested, safe and effective.

Mainstream media is largely on the left (he may use harsh language to convey that point), but it's true none the less
I don't believe this.

I do think though that the USA 24x7 news channels have too much time to fill in, so they insert lots of opinion and indepth talking and this waters down the actual news so much that it is hard to find the actual news.

Social media companies are/were largely on the left. The fact that a moderate like Musk buying one of the companies caused pearl clutching is evidence of that
Musk is destroying Twitter. The guy is weird.
Social media companies are mostly not left or right. They have some rules like anti discrimination, anti violence etc.
I find it weird how some on the right think that the Right need to get their message across using discrimination, violence and lies about Covid related stuff.
Filtering that stuff off Social Media doesn't mean that Social Media are leftists.

Trump never said any gun restrictions were bad...another thing he took flak from his own party for was when he supported red flag laws and made the comment of "I say we should take the guns first"
Trump has flip flopped.
His biggest trope is that he says "They want to take your guns", to instil fear into those that are excited about guns, so that they will vote for him.
As far as I know Trump isn't a gun person.

Obviously he's wrong when he said the election was rigged and courts are leftist...the courts are balanced, and he claimed the election was rigged because his ego won't let him believe he lost.
Look, if my favourite party, my favourite leader did everything right, but tried to instil anger and violence in the people by lying about a "stolen election". I would not vote for them ever. Free and fair elections are the most necessary thing in a democracy.


Sorry, who in congress, who in the white house wants out and out socialism?


many people may prefer Bernie's economic policies, but not at the expense of having to embrace modern gender theory or change their tune on abortion.
But then again Biden and Karmala aren;'t promoting gender theory. They aren't forcing that on anyone.


there are plenty of people who support the policies of the left, but the thing that stops them from voting for the are the cultural issues.
These cultural issues are fabricated by the right. They mischaracterise the position of the left.
If you want to know the position of the left, look to Joe Biden and Karmala. Look to the policies and campaign promises.
Don't ask Hannity, Ingram, Piro and Tucker what the left are promoting and promising.


They're not forcing people to partake in those activities, but there certainly is a push to make people to accept those things even if they don't want to (right or wrong)
How is Biden doing this push?

Sure, yeah, people need to weigh everything up.
The problem is, that people that listen to right wing propoganda shows are not judging the Democratic party by what the Democratic party are actually doing. They are basing it on a mischaracterisation of the Dems.

At the moment we have on one side a presidential candidate that has been impeached twice
- once for trying to force a foreign leader into publicly accusing the candidates political rival of crimes (without evidence)
- once for inciting an insurrection and trying to steal the 2020 election
As well as three indictments awaiting trial
- one for stealing documents, refusing to return them, lying about them, getting others to lie about them and help conceal them
- one for hush money payments and illegal campaign contributions (of which his coconspirator lawyer served time in prison)
- one for election interference, including the illegal alternate electors scheme

vs a perception of Democrats forcing people to accept CRT, LGQBT, abortion - none of these things are in Biden's policies or campaign promises. But are merely assumed to be so by Right Wing opinion show hosts.

What is Biden and Karmala doing regading LGBT issues? How are they forcing people to accept it?
Don't paint Biden by what just any random person professing to be on the "left" says.

When people like Beto O'Rouke get up and say "any church that refuses to perform same sex marriages should be striped of their 501c3 status" to a massive round of applause, that's an implication that "you do things our way or face consequences"
What has Biden said about this topic? He is a Catholic right, I'm sure he isn't trying to force the Catholic church to perform same sex marriages
 
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What is Biden and Karmala doing regading LGBT issues? How are they forcing people to accept it?
Talk to workers in the military about that.

There is also the enormous DEI bureaucracy Kamala created that is rolling over industry like a hippo giving birth to quads.
 
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That's pretty much how I feel. I lean Republican, but it's really only because of abortion. If it weren't for that, the rest of the Democratic Party's policies would be more palatable to me.

Aside from abortion, I don't particularly care about social issues nor the culture war as long as no one is trying to force me to go against my convictions.

There are plenty of Christians, even Evangelicals, who aren't that different from Democrats on most stances (such as the economy or social programs) but feel uneasy about abortion.

I'm not even asking for a total abortion ban. I'm willing to accept moderate regulations just because that's better than nothing.

Idk if I'll vote for Trump again (assuming he's the nominee.) I might actually vote third party in that case. I appreciate what he did, especially with religious freedom, Supreme Court picks and overturning Roe, but he just has too much baggage now.

I'd seriously consider voting for Manchin if he runs for president, as I agree with the majority of his stances.
 
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I'm not even asking for a total abortion ban. I'm willing to accept moderate regulations just because that's better than nothing.
Typically when things are outlawed then the government can't regulate it.
But if it is legal then govt can regulate.

I don't think the Democratic Party want an anything goes abortion. Of course they would make sure that the practitioners are qualified and have suitable equipment and facilities. And I very much doubt that many Democratic Party members want late term abortions, so there will be some cut off date (despite what right wing opinion show hosts say).

Also typically Democratic Party members and liberals in general want to reduce abortions, and they achieve that by supporting sex education, family planning, contraceptives etc.

But if you are against all of those things and its high on your priority list then perhaps the Democratic Party isn't for you.
 
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Talk to workers in the military about that.

There is also the enormous DEI bureaucracy Kamala created that is rolling over industry like a hippo giving birth to quads.
I don't know what you are talking about regarding military.

DEI = Diversity, Equity and Inclusion????
Sounds good to me.
But I understand if some people are upset about racial quotas and affirmative action.
I'm not too fussed on affirmative action myself.

From an idealistic perspective I would like people to get jobs based on merit rather than race.
But from a pragmatic perspective I understand that there are certain hurdles facing certain demographics meaning that they are more often than not, missing out.
 
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That article is bonkers. So I looked up Sasha Stone and found this.

is a British New Age influencer and conspiracy theorist.

Stone has stated that the COVID-19 vaccine is a conspiracy to implant a "nanochip" in the human body so that "the Beast" can "take control of their soul."

EDIT: MAybe this is a different Sacha Stone????
Anyway, the article is bonkers.
 
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I have read several of her blog posts from the same site, and have never seen anything anti vax. She was once a writer for the Hollywood Reporter, votes Democrat. Try Sasha, with an 's'.
 
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I have read several of her blog posts from the same site, and have never seen anything anti vax. She was once a writer for the Hollywood Reporter, votes Democrat. Try Sasha, with an 's'.
Yeah, my mistake. I found a different person. Sorry.
 
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