"Dave, Your Articles Are Garbage" ((((COP-OUT!))))

[TheFathersDaughter]

It doesn't matter which teacher you take it to, any teacher will instantly know whether it is proper documented research or copy/pasted hearsay.



It is possible for people to hear God but God cannot, will not, contradict his revealed word and you cannot know God's will without knowing his words.



Virtually the same words spoken by every false teacher who ever came along, Jim Jones, David Koresh, Charles Russell (JW), Joseph Smith (LDS), etc.

Here is a passage of scripture in the original language give me your interpretation of this based on nothing but your own esoteric revelation from God, no evidence, no scholars just read it through God's eyes.

[SIZE=+1]μηδεις σου της νεοτητος καταφρονειτω αλλα τυπος γινου των πιστων εν λογω εν αναστροφη εν αγαπη εν πνευματι εν πιστει εν αγνεια[/SIZE]​

Really. I've seen false prophets using "The Bible says so" to go forth in their rights too. Except they're far higher in number. This is everyone who supported slavery in the 19th century, those supporting sexism and segregation. They use the Bible to back up their points. Not to mention the Crusades. Don't think it's one sides.

 

[ReformedChapin]

Really. I've seen false prophets using "The Bible says so" to go forth in their rights too. Except they're far higher in number. This is everyone who supported slavery in the 19th century, those supporting sexism and segregation. They use the Bible to back up their points. Not to mention the Crusades. Don't think it's one sides.

Just how liberals are using the bible to try to push the sin of sexuality. Yes there has been a lot of abuses in the church. What's your point?

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Just how liberals are using the bible to try to push the sin of sexuality. Yes there has been a lot of abuses in the church. What's your point?

No, NewGuy. Those were the conservatives. I made my point very clearly. Try reading some of Der Alters accusations instead of just singling out those who don't agree with you. The faith is used for evil. So is the Bible. Religion in general is used for evil. That's the point I'm trying to make. Trying to call my faith "fake" because of a select handful of people is a hypocritical argument to say the least.

 

[ReformedChapin]

No, NewGuy. Those were the conservatives. I made my point very clearly. Try reading some of Der Alters accusations instead of just singling out those who don't agree with you. The faith is used for evil. So is the Bible. Religion in general is used for evil. That's the point I'm trying to make. Trying to call my faith "fake" because of a select handful of people is a hypocritical argument to say the least.

Again, when you contradict 2000 years of Chrisitan history you have the burden of proof. Proof which you cannot provide since you deny logic itself in the first place.

Faith isn't used for evil, the Christian title is used for evil like you liberals do all the time.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Again, when you contradict 2000 years of Chrisitan history you have the burden of proof. Proof which you cannot provide since you deny logic itself in the first place.

Faith isn't used for evil, the Christian title is used for evil like you liberals do all the time.

I love how you keep mentioning this 2000 year old evidence. If it's that old, can it really be contributed as evidence? Also, way to change the subject ENTIRELY. This wasn't what I was talking about.

And yes, faith is used for evil. So is your evidence. Der Alter said my faith means nothing because of false prophets, and I said by that logic the Bible means nothing because of false prophets. Maybe try reading something? That or preferably don't butt into a conversation you weren't a part of.

Also, there you go insulting again.

 

[ReformedChapin]

I love how you keep mentioning this 2000 year old evidence. If it's that old, can it really be contributed as evidence? Also, way to change the subject ENTIRELY. This wasn't what I was talking about.

And yes, faith is used for evil. So is your evidence. Der Alter said my faith means nothing because of false prophets, and I said by that logic the Bible means nothing because of false prophets. Maybe try reading something? That or preferably don't butt into a conversation you weren't a part of.

Also, there you go insulting again.

More childish insults.

OMGOSH WHY DO YOU TREAT ME LIKE A TEENAGER!!

Because you act like it.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

More childish insults.

OMGOSH WHY DO YOU TREAT ME LIKE A TEENAGER!!

Because you act like it.

I never insulted you. I pointed out your obvious actions.

I also never mentioned anything about age.

And this has absolutely nothing to do with the post.

Please stop trying to make yourself look like the better man, it's not working.

Posts like this only put YOU down. Do you think God thinks that's mature?

 

[ReformedChapin]

I never insulted you. I pointed out your obvious actions.

I also never mentioned anything about age.

And this has absolutely nothing to do with the post.

Please stop trying to make yourself look like the better man, it's not working.

Posts like this only put YOU down. Do you think God thinks that's mature?

God knows that you don't know what the heck you are talking about. That's for sure.

Again please get educated...for the love of ...well God do it.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

God knows that you don't know what the heck you are talking about. That's for sure.

Again please get educated...for the love of ...well God do it.

Hm, I see. And I suppose you think you're God then. Because otherwise, how can you say so bluntly that "this is what God thinks". As least I asked "do you think God".

 

[Der Alte]

Really. I've seen false prophets using "The Bible says so" to go forth in their rights too. [That is why knowledge of God's word is important! Don't drink the koolaid!] Except they're far higher in number. [& your point is?] This is everyone who supported slavery in the 19th century, those supporting sexism and segregation. [So what?] They use the Bible to back up their points. [See 1st reply above!] Not to mention the Crusades. [Irrelevant!]Don't think it's one sides.

The fact that some person(s) at some point in history misused scripture is not relevant to anything but that specific incident.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.​

 

[davedjy]

The fact that some person(s) at some point in history misused scripture is not relevant to anything but that specific incident.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.​

You have yet to prove we have REMOVED God's Word. Furthermore, you use the same old tired link, and at best it just gives an other intepretation. The fact is there isn't even one monogamous, same sex relationship condemned in Scriptures. You still believe the myth that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for homosexuality, and that is yet ANOTHER lie and myth.

 

[united4Peace]

Which teacher? I'm not about to take it to MORE human beings. Because if I take them both to a science teacher and a religious teacher, I'll of course get seperate answers. Even if I take it to an English teacher and a History teacher I'll get different opinions. This isn't about the best evidence. Unless you're God Der Alter, you have no evidence. I'll say it again, evidence, the Bible means nothing except for the words written in it, unless you read it with God in mind. If you think that God can control every single word through thousands of years, translations and so on, then why is it impossible for me to hear him calling me?

I've said this before, I don't need proof. I'm not here to give proof. I'm here to try to open some very closed doors and try to get people to start listening to God again. Not some words on paper. Maybe Christianity would stop being looked down upon and maybe more people would consider it if we stopped concentrating on "evidence" and started concentrating about the entire reason we live. Which is faith. No matter how much you think so, the Bible is not going to get your into heaven. Don't get me wrong, the Bible is a great book. And I support it all the way. But nothing that's not of God should be read literally. It has to be read through God's eyes. Hence why I try to introduce my friends to God before I introduce them to the Bible. It's easier to understand it if you know God first.

I'm almost finished. I just have one more thing to say:

Do not let people look down upon you because you are young, but set an example in what you teach, in the way you live, in your love, your faith and your purity. 1 Timothy 4:12.

This has been my life verse since I turned 13. Age is just a number. It has nothing to do with anything. You can't judge experience, purity, understanding or maturity on that number. It just represents how long you've been on Earth. Not how much you've learned. And any Christian who tries to use age as a way of judging should probably reread their Bible a couple of times.

Excellent Post

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]You have yet to prove we have REMOVED God's Word. Furthermore, you use the same old tired link, and at best it just gives an other intepretation. The fact is there isn't even one monogamous, same sex relationship condemned in Scriptures. You still believe the myth that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for homosexuality, and that is yet ANOTHER lie and myth[/SIZE].

If this was not so tragic it would be funny.

Your only source for everything you think you know about the Bible and homosexuality comes from websites operated by gays. You talk about tired old links. The dood at your tired old link contradicts himself all over the place.

You have deluded yourself into believing just because some anonymous homosexual posts something on his website it must be true.

"You still believe the myth that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for homosexuality, and that is yet ANOTHER lie and myth." That Sodom and Gommorah were destroyed for homosexuality has been clearly understood and taught by Jewish scholars since Moses gave Israel the law about 1200 BC. The only lies and myths are the emesis you copy/paste from homosexual websites.

 

[davedjy]

If this was not so tragic it would be funny.

Your only source for everything you think you know about the Bible and homosexuality comes from websites operated by gays. You talk about tired old links. The dood at your tired old link contradicts himself all over the place.

You have deluded yourself into believing just because some anonymous homosexual posts something on his website it must be true.

"You still believe the myth that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for homosexuality, and that is yet ANOTHER lie and myth." That Sodom and Gommorah were destroyed for homosexuality has been clearly understood and taught by Jewish scholars since Moses gave Israel the law about 1200 BC. The only lies and myths are the emesis you copy/paste from homosexual websites.

"As Taught by the Jewish Scholars since Moses", isn't an answer that will cut it, and is false. To even THINK that all those people were homosexual is absurd, and only a small portion of the population is homosexual in the first place.

Your commentary does not refute the facts. Post some verses that refute this:

Ezekiel 16:49,50 says, "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen" (NIV).


That is THE ONLY reference IN the Bible to the sin of Sodom. Show me a verse that says otherwise!

I don't even need articles to refute your idle commentary.

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]"As Taught by the Jewish Scholars since Moses", isn't an answer that will cut it, and is false. To even THINK that all those people were homosexual is absurd, and only a small portion of the population is homosexual in the first place.

Your commentary does not refute the facts. Post some verses that refute this:

Ezekiel 16:49,50 says, "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen" (NIV).

That is THE ONLY reference IN the Bible to the sin of Sodom. Show me a verse that says otherwise!

I don't even need articles to refute your idle commentary.[/SIZE]

WRONG! Ezekiel is NOT the only reference in the Bible to the sin of Sodom! See Jude 7.

Nobody ever claimed that every single human being, in Sodom and Gomorrah, except Lot and his family, were homosexual. That does NOT preclude God from destroying a city, a neighborhood, or a nation. that openly permitted and encourgaged, what in God's eyes was, abominable sexual perversions, whether every person actively participated, or not.

OBTW where does Ezekiel say "this [, only this and nothing else] was the sin of your sister Sodom?" There is no verse anywhere in the Bible that contradicts any other verse, but there are verses which complement other verses. For example, Jude 7 complements Ezekiel.

Your cut/pastes from homosexual websites do NOT, and will NEVER, refute 3000 years +/- of Jewish scholarship, regardless how you, and they, selectively misquote and pervert the scripture!

Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Jud 1:7 ως 5613 ADV σοδομα 4670 N-NPN και 2532 CONJ γομορρα 1116 N-NSF και 2532 CONJ αι 3588 T-NPF περι 4012 PREP αυτας 846 P-APF πολεις 4172 N-NPF τον 3588 T-ASM ομοιον 3664 A-ASM τουτοις 5125 D-DPM τροπον 5158 N-ASM εκπορνευσασαι 1608 V-AAP-NPF και 2532 CONJ απελθουσαι 565 V-2AAP-NPF οπισω 3694 ADV σαρκος 4561 N-GSF ετερας 2087 A-GSF προκεινται4295 V-PNI-3P δειγμα1164 N-ASN πυρος4442 N-GSN αιωνιου166 A-GSN δικην1349 N-ASF υπεχουσαι5254 V-PAP-NPF ​

The verbs translated “giving themselves over to fornication” i.e. εκπορνευσασαι and “going after,” i.e. απελθουσαι are AAP and 2AAP, respectively, aorist, active, participles, an action began in the past, continuing into the future.

God knew about the cumulative sins, the “outlaw porn,[SIZE=+1]*[/SIZE]” of Sodom when he was talking with Abraham, at Mamre, before he went down to Sodom. Gen 13:13, Gen 18:20-26, The perverts of Sodom were prevented from doing anything against the angels, by blindness, and certainly did not do anything with any flesh afterward. Gen 19:24ff.

Robertson Word Pictures in the N.T. -- Jud 1:7 {Even as} (\ως\). Just "as." The third instance (Jude passes by the deluge) in Jude, the cities of the plain. {The cities about them} (\hai peri autas poleis\). These were also included, Admah and Zeboiim (De 29:23; Ho 11:8). Zoar, the other city, was spared. {In like manner} (\ton homoion tropon\). Adverbial accusative (cf. \ως\). Like the fallen angels. {Having given themselves over to fornication} (\ekporneusasai\). First aorist active participle feminine plural of \ekporneu“\, late and rare compound (perfective use of \ek\, [SIZE=+1]*[/SIZE] outside the moral law), only here in N.T., but in LXX (Ge 38:24; Ex 34:15f., etc.).​