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Dating to marry

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I do not agree with casual dating, "dating around", or dating with no purpose. I believe if you set out with the idea to date or find someone to date, you are looking to get married.

If you then find someone, and you decide it will be a relationship, it is assumed that this relationship is working toward the eventual purpose of marriage.

While I'm not suggesting every dating relationship should or will end in marriage, I'm saying that dating just for the purpose of dating, dating just for the purpose of company, dating just for the purpose of physical activity, or dating with no purpose at all, is not appropriate.

I also believe that the moment you realize the relationship is 100% not marriage material, that should probably be the end of it. In a marriage if things go bad, you get counselling, because you are married, two become one. In a dating situation, if you get red flags or have numerous amounts of problems? I hate to say it but, you don't necessarily have to "fight" for the relationship and "make it work". Move on! Find someone you are compatible with. I'm not trying to downplay the idea of the fact that relationships take work. They are hard work. But there is a difference between hard work in maintaining a healthy relationship, and hard work trying to make an already unhealthy relationship healthy again despite all odds.

These are simply my personal feelings.


To answer your other question, I am already married to the person I'm with. :angel:
 
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Excellent advice morning glory, I can especially testify to the last paragraph about the difference in maintaining a healthy relationship and trying to rectify one that was never really healthy to begin with.
 
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I wouldn't say don't date anyone unless you could see yourself marrying them - very few people would be dating if that were the case! You really can't make a prediction like that until you've been in a committed relationship with them for at least a few months, long enough for the "honeymoon stage" to wear off. However, I would say don't date anyone if you already know that it won't work, or that you would in no way ever want to marry them.

I was young at the time, but for some reason or another, the casual dating never appealed to me. I wouldn't have started dating my GF unless she had the qualities and personality that I would find fitting for a wife. And today, over 2 years and 4 months later, I can tell you that it's an awesome thing. To answer your question - yes, I can see myself marrying her. In fact, I can't see myself not marrying her!!

It's really up to you, but I agree with what others have said - I think casual dating with absolutely no interest in marriage whatsoever is kind of pointless, especially the way most people approach it. ("Oh, we've been dating a week now! let's kiss and hug and make out! Oh, we've been dating a month. I'm bored, let's break up." that type of stuff, typical with people my age, makes me sick!)
 
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Oh I agree with the whole casual dating thing. To me it's not really sincere and honestly it's just a waste of time. You put too much effort into something that you really and truly don't care about.

Another question.

From what I've garnered from everybody's responses, the whole casual dating thing isn't really what people like. Do you think Christians are less likely to casual date and more likely to date based on the fact that they want to marry the person?

Thanks for the discussion everyone!
 
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One of my friends once told me that you wouldn't seriously date somebody unless you imagined yourself marrying them. Do you believe that's true? Do you see yourself marrying the person you're currently with right now?

Just curious.

Yes I can see myself marrying him.
 
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I can cite the case for casual dating.

I spent two years in a Christian boarding school where romance was discouraged but not actually forbidden.

I dated boys two and three years younger than I with the stated policy of not dating any boy twice in a row. When accepting an invitation, I was explicit that it was a practice date.

I turned it into a tutorial (Hold the door open for me, help me off with my coat and go hang it up, how about you buy me some nosh at the canteen and we'll discuss the movie, no kisses unless the lady holds out her cheek but kissing my hand is welcome.) My part of the bargain was that I could start over from a relationship that was pathological.

It was dating around but it was kids learning socialisation.

When I arrived at university, I was no longer in a protected environment. I dated just one guy for several months. It went badly. Fifteen months later I accepted betrothal from a man I had known over four years. We skipped the dating thing and had our parents vouch for us.

God bless,
 
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From what I've garnered from everybody's responses, the whole casual dating thing isn't really what people like. Do you think Christians are less likely to casual date and more likely to date based on the fact that they want to marry the person?

I think Christians tend more to think in the long term. If we are to contemplate eternity, maybe we contemplate a lifetime a bit more.

The one adult dating relationship I had, I said that our dating is to be purposeful---to explore whether we had a future together---that we would or we wouldn't---are you on board with this or are you not? (He lied)

God bless,
 
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The one adult dating relationship I had, I said that our dating is to be purposeful---to explore whether we had a future together---that we would or we wouldn't---are you on board with this or are you not? (He lied)

God bless,
Aww...I'm sorry that happened to you. Unfortunately, if you care about a person and they don't return the favor, it really hurts you. Good luck with your future dates, then.
 
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Aww...I'm sorry that happened to you. Unfortunately, if you care about a person and they don't return the favor, it really hurts you. Good luck with your future dates, then.
I didn't care about him. It was one red flag after another. We always went out of town. I didn't meet any of his family or friends. For a man who was widowed and just beginning to circulate, he was just too smooth. My dad didn't like him.

Turns out he was living with a woman who had two kids by him. Turns out he was dating another girl my age and bedding her while he was wooing me. Turns out he shaved six years off his age.

He spent a lot of money on me but got nothing. I got even. I helped his live-in to escape with her children.

I was stooooopid! I knew in my heart of hearts but ignored the little voice.

I went through a betrothal process with a friend I knew for over four years, whom I kept pushing away. We are now married.

I will make it my business to stay married so I don't have to date ever again.:)

God bless
 
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Yes, it is important to see a possibility of marriage in the future because otherwise, you're inevitably going to break-up and the relationship is pointless. I have gone through a breakup because of this and it was painful because even though our futures were so different, I was deeply moved by his character and felt privileged just to know him let alone date him.
 
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What do you mean by betrothal process?

I understand how you were. My first boyfriend was really controlling and mean to me, yet I stuck around with him for four years. My current guy is such an upgrade.
I messed around with Mr. Wrong for three months. The night I walked out on him, I went to my Dad whom I hadn't seen in ages. Dad had hired an investigator and handed me the file. Hoo boy!

Betrothal varies in different cultures.

The process in my husband's culture:
1) The parents decide their child is ready to marry.
2) The parents do a search and find a candidate.
3) the two fathers negotiate a contract--usually a legally enforceable contract.
4) The two who are to marry have an obligation to their fathers, not to each other. This is a marriage of two families.
4a) There is a betrothal ceremony in which the father of the bride announces that he is pledging his daughter, handing the other father a dowery. (Mine was one gold Kugerrand) The commitment comes into being with that.
5) There is a period of preparation for marriage, the "children" communicating with their parents, the two sets of parents communicate with each other. This way, the parents exercise their control and good judgment over the courtship.
6) On the wedding day, the pair being married walk around the sacred fire seven times, each time asking the god Agni for particular things that make for a good marriage---not vows but requests of this god. The commitment came to be at the betrothal and it was the fathers who committed.
7) After marriage, the couple lives with the groom's family so the bride can receive instruction from her mum-in-law how to pamper her husband in the manner that he has been accustomed since birth. Bride is 16 or 17; groom 18 to 20 or so.

That's the traditional process in Northern India. In modern families, the children get married somewhat older and they have veto power on their parents' selection of a mate. But even today, there are some upper-class families in which the girl gets to see a photograph of her groom and the groom doesn't see his bride's face until he lifts the veil after the fire walk.

My husband and I did a lot of side-stepping of tradition but all the traditional elements were more or less present--- a betrothal with a contract that involved a substantial amount in escrow, a list of the bride's and groom's wants, time frames for intermingling Christian and Hindu weddings. Our parents were very much involved in our courtship after the betrothal. There was a purification rite that prevented a wedding night after our Christian wedding. It was an adventure. Dear hubbie and I joke that we will avoid divorce at all costs because we don't want to go through THAT again.

God bless,
 
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I told my fiance the day we started dating that the day he thought we couldn't make a marriage out of this should be the day he told me so that we could break up immediately.

Fortunately, it hasn't come to that.
 
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When accepting an invitation, I was explicit that it was a practice date.

I turned it into a tutorial (Hold the door open for me, help me off with my coat and go hang it up, how about you buy me some nosh at the canteen and we'll discuss the movie, no kisses unless the lady holds out her cheek but kissing my hand is welcome.) My part of the bargain was that I could start over from a relationship that was pathological.

Huh????????????



:confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
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I told my fiance the day we started dating that the day he thought we couldn't make a marriage out of this should be the day he told me so that we could break up immediately.

Fortunately, it hasn't come to that.


I said this too. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), it did come to that.
 
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Huh????????????

:confused::confused::confused::confused:
I'm a bit confused what the "Huh?" is about.

I don't think it is a girl thing that a boy couldn't understand.

I was 16 and then 17 at the time. The boys my age wanted to get "serious"---that is that they wanted to go steady.

I didn't want a relationship. I dated younger boys so I could date on my own terms---there were no younger girls so having a date at all was highly valued by the younger boys.

I offered them a chaste date with an amount of instruction in how to be a gentleman. They got used to interacting with a lady in a dating situation. They were able to be seen with me---not that I am so special but there was a shortage of girls.

For my part I was able to date without the boy pressuring me. I had nice, chaste evenings with boys who were on notice to be gentlemen.

I don't think guys have the '"purity issues" that girls have (Some of them do I'm sure). Anyway, I had a b/f when I was 14 until almost my 16th birthday. I engaged in inappropriate sexual activity and cheapened myself. Doing at 16 and 17 what I should have been doing at 14 and 15 was a way of starting over and "resetting" myself.

When I went to university and finally did accept my first date after two years, I had no temptation to "give in".

This is admittedly wordy but I hope that explains things.

God bless,
 
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When we first started dating, I didn't necessarily see myself marrying him. But I didn't see myself NOT marrying him, and did envision myself coming to the place where I did see myself marrying him soon.

Decipher that, if you dare!

It's been close to four months for us, and now I can see myself married to him.
 
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Honestly I didn't see myself being with my current bf for a long time. I actually got upset with him for suggesting that marriage was his intended end goal (his illegal immigrant status being a part of the concern). However we spend every day together and never get tired of each other. I've known him for 4 months and don't have any reason to split up...and I really care about him. If he is the person I think he is I will say yes when the time is right.
I think casual dating could be a good way to find out whether you even like a person. How will you know if you don't spend time with them? And I don't think you can decide that marriage will be the desired outcome of a relationship before you've gotten to know a person.
However I think casual dating should be done carefully since people's feelings are involved. If one person is looking for something fun and casual and the other has deeper feelings on the matter, that could cause a lot of hurt.
 
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