Darwin's evolution theory?

[Silent Bob]

how similar do two fosils have to be to be considered for a past form?
it seems to me that your fossil's "similarities" rely on human opinion only

There are sciences like comparative anatomy and taxonomy that deal directly with those questions.

 

[Silent Bob]

these two are much more similar, in my opinion
<-monkey cheetah->

Look at the jaw structure, look at the shape of the brain cavity (don't know a better word) look at the eye sockets look at the nose, the cheeks etc. You CAN tell the differences even if you are bad at find the difference games.

 

[dunkel]

Hitler loved to read Darwins theory - and into Arien pychcos to eliminate a stronger race for his own blue eyed blondes.

Ignoring the grammatical problems I have with this statement, let's look at the logical issue you bring up. Are you implying that we should throw out Darwin because Hitler "loved to read" his theories? Assuming this is true, should we judge a theory based on who its proponents are? If that were truly the case, we should throw out the Bible, as well, because there have undoubtedly been many bad things done by many people that "loved to read" the Bible. Surely this is not what you are saying?

 

[ArchangelGabriel]

Look at the jaw structure, look at the shape of the brain cavity (don't know a better word) look at the eye sockets look at the nose, the cheeks etc. You CAN tell the differences even if you are bad at find the difference games.

oh differencs equal falsness okay then ill go get the differences for your monkey / human thingy

 

[dunkel]

-what evidence?
-there are way to many? since when does majority have a ruling in Spiritual beliefs? just because im in a room with 10 poeple who think God isnt real and only 2 who know he is doesnt mean that the 10 are correct
-who do you say the earth "looks" old? are you comparing it to a picture of when the earth was younger? or something?

It's doubtful that any amount of evidence will convince you, but just for the hell of it, I'll answer your question as well as I can.

1. The evidence is too great to catalog here in a simple post on some message board. It ranges from carbon dating to fossils to the fact that we can see the universe expanding. Hell, we have human written records as old as creationists believe the world to be, maybe even older. Then, of course, there are the unwritten records, ruins, etc that push even mankind, let alone the rest of the world, even further back. The only way for a creationist to not be convinced by the evidence is if they are, I'm sorry, extremly stupid, are simply choosing to ignore it, or they have some crazy alternate explantation such as "God made it look old" (with no good reason for him to have done so).
2. Yes, the the vast majority of scientists in the field believe the Earth is very, very old. The majority doesn't always get it right, that is true. However, if you put 12 people in the theoretical room that you mentioned, ask them each the same question independently, and 10 of them come up with the same answer, chances are those 10 are correct.
3. Well, yes, we can have a good idea of how the Earth looked way back when, based on things that we can observe here and now, today. Wind erosion, water erosion, etc. Weather patterns have changed even over the last few hundred or a thousand years, so we can get an idea of how weather changes affect climate. But, to follow your logic...how do you know Genesis is correct? Were you there? Do you have a picture or video? No? How about the author of Genesis? Was he there? Does he have pictures? Then how do you know?

I can guess the answer to all of my arguments here...God just made it that way, right?

 

[dunkel]

oh differencs equal falsness okay then ill go get the differences for your monkey / human thingy

Apes and humans share something like 98% of their DNA. Yes, that means exactly what you think it means...we are not that far removed from our Chimpanzee brothers. That 2% difference (or whatever the actual number is, I can't recall at the moment) is a BIG difference, yes, but not as big as you would assume. When you have apes displaying "human" skills such as using tools, language, etc, you should realize we're not as different as you'd like to think.

I do think we're pretty far removed from monkeys, though, lol.

 

[GraceInHim]

Ignoring the grammatical problems I have with this statement, let's look at the logical issue you bring up. Are you implying that we should throw out Darwin because Hitler "loved to read" his theories? Assuming this is true, should we judge a theory based on who its proponents are? If that were truly the case, we should throw out the Bible, as well, because there have undoubtedly been many bad things done by many people that "loved to read" the Bible. Surely this is not what you are saying?

why do you not read tlf post - will give you a better view - why post something that was on page1 - got no defense for the ape?

 

[ArchangelGabriel]

It's doubtful that any amount of evidence will convince you, but just for the hell of it, I'll answer your question as well as I can.

1. The evidence is too great to catalog here in a simple post on some message board. It ranges from carbon dating to fossils to the fact that we can see the universe expanding. Hell, we have human written records as old as creationists believe the world to be, maybe even older. Then, of course, there are the unwritten records, ruins, etc that push even mankind, let alone the rest of the world, even further back. The only way for a creationist to not be convinced by the evidence is if they are, I'm sorry, extremly stupid, are simply choosing to ignore it, or they have some crazy alternate explantation such as "God made it look old" (with no good reason for him to have done so).
2. Yes, the the vast majority of scientists in the field believe the Earth is very, very old. The majority doesn't always get it right, that is true. However, if you put 12 people in the theoretical room that you mentioned, ask them each the same question independently, and 10 of them come up with the same answer, chances are those 10 are correct.
3. Well, yes, we can have a good idea of how the Earth looked way back when, based on things that we can observe here and now, today. Wind erosion, water erosion, etc. Weather patterns have changed even over the last few hundred or a thousand years, so we can get an idea of how weather changes affect climate. But, to follow your logic...how do you know Genesis is correct? Were you there? Do you have a picture or video? No? How about the author of Genesis? Was he there? Does he have pictures? Then how do you know?

I can guess the answer to all of my arguments here...God just made it that way, right?

1.well sense i cant find wrong in what you dont post i will concentrate on what you did
-how old do the unwritten records go back to?
-well if im extremly stupid for not making assumptions then i guess i would rather better spiritually correct then worldly intelligent
-whats with this obsession with people who think God made the earth look old
when did i ever imply that at all in any way
2. im sorry i totally disagree with that and do not see how its technically, spiritually, or sceintifically correct

 

[tall73]

These were actually a bit of a joke

They are all from humans in the last several hundred years, just of different races. There is a lot of variety in the human family:

 

[dunkel]

1.well sense i cant find wrong in what you dont post i will concentrate on what you did
-how old do the unwritten records go back to?

There are many examples of human artifacts going back at least 10,000 years, maybe further. Including, but not limited to, pottery shards, Stonehenge, arrow and spear tip, cave paintings, etc etc.

-well if im extremly stupid for not making assumptions then i guess i would rather better spiritually correct then worldly intelligent

If you choose not to use your reason and intellect, then you are throwing away two of the greatest gifts that God has given you. Are you saying these gifts from God are somehow faulty or not worthy of your use? Perhaps you feel that they are not necessary, but then why would God give us something we didn't need?

-whats with this obsession with people who think God made the earth look old
when did i ever imply that at all in any way

The Earth DOES look old. It looks like it's been around for billions of years. The problem with creationism is to explain why everything looks so dang old if it was only created 6000 years ago, as creationists claim. The argument goes that if Earth looks old, it is NOT because it actually IS old, but because God must have made it that way for whatever reason. You may not have said it, but it is a common argument used by creationists. Out of curiosity, why do you believe that the Earth looks older than 6000 years (give or take)?

2. im sorry i totally disagree with that and do not see how its technically, spiritually, or sceintifically correct

Your claim, if I am reading you correctly, is that a majority of people believing something does not make it necessarily correct, just because the majority of people believe it. I agree. However, when you have a majority of people that have all come to the same conclusion idependently and many, many times over, it does lend that particular argument a little bit of credibility. It doesn't prove it, no, but it does indicate that there is something there worth looking at. If you're watching TV and see 4 weathermen say it's going to rain tomorrow and 1 that doesn't, are you going to pack your umbrella or not? After all, it's entirely possible that those 4 that predicted rain are wrong...but since they all came to the same conclusion independently, even if they were using the same data, doesn't it at least show that they might be on to something?

 

[ArchangelGabriel]

Apes and humans share something like 98% of their DNA. Yes, that means exactly what you think it means...we are not that far removed from our Chimpanzee brothers. That 2% difference (or whatever the actual number is, I can't recall at the moment) is a BIG difference, yes, but not as big as you would assume. When you have apes displaying "human" skills such as using tools, language, etc, you should realize we're not as different as you'd like to think.

I do think we're pretty far removed from monkeys, though, lol.

wel im not going to harp on the see there not the same thing becasue im sure your tired of that but
1) is there actually a way of losing DNA after some many generations?
2)i think this may be another example of where there is a alternative so that there will be a choice for our free will to decide
3)yes apes displaying hman skills not huamn displaying ape skills

 

[ArchangelGabriel]

There are sciences like comparative anatomy and taxonomy that deal directly with those questions.

well lets pretend that im only in 9th grade biology for a sec _couldyou give me the condensd clip notes or something

 

[GraceInHim]

I got proof - you are correct - they are becoming more like us​

 

[GraceInHim]

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And here is Lucy's Relative

 

[ArchangelGabriel]

QUOTE]There are many examples of human artifacts going back at least 10,000 years, maybe further. Including, but not limited to, pottery shards, Stonehenge, arrow and spear tip, cave paintings, etc etc.[/QUOTE]

well then ill glady sate that i think the Earth is .....ehhhh.. 10,007 years old (maybe further)

If you choose not to use your reason and intellect, then you are throwing away two of the greatest gifts that God has given you. Are you saying these gifts from God are somehow faulty or not worthy of your use? Perhaps you feel that they are not necessary, but then why would God give us something we didn't need?

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

The Earth DOES look old. It looks like it's been around for billions of years. The problem with creationism is to explain why everything looks so dang old if it was only created 6000 years ago, as creationists claim. The argument goes that if Earth looks old, it is NOT because it actually IS old, but because God must have made it that way for whatever reason. You may not have said it, but it is a common argument used by creationists. Out of curiosity, why do you believe that the Earth looks older than 6000 years (give or take)?

1) whats a billion years to Gods eternity
2) i didnt even know taht i was a creationist/ that i am a creationist unti l i saw this thread so im not sure wehre the 6000 years omes from, maybe theres some sort of weird meeting where this is decided i dont know , i dont seem to have recieved taht memo
3)well im glad you asked becasue now i dont have to use complete sentences
i dont see how im supposed to call something old or young that is first of all completly unique and there is no other example of young or old symbols
i dont want to think that its old because of all tahts happened on it because then im looking at it from a humans power not a higher force
and furthermore if you use Gods timeline then it can have a age becasue there really cant be measurement in eternity
what is old anyways? is it based on the life expectinsy of the planet? because i dont know what that is

Your claim, if I am reading you correctly, is that a majority of people believing something does not make it necessarily correct, just because the majority of people believe it. I agree. However, when you have a majority of people that have all come to the same conclusion idependently and many, many times over, it does lend that particular argument a little bit of credibility. It doesn't prove it, no, but it does indicate that there is something there worth looking at. If you're watching TV and see 4 weathermen say it's going to rain tomorrow and 1 that doesn't, are you going to pack your umbrella or not? After all, it's entirely possible that those 4 that predicted rain are wrong...but since they all came to the same conclusion independently, even if they were using the same data, doesn't it at least show that they might be on to something

(well like the rain but ill just leave taht out for irelevenc purposes)
-depends on alot of things though
-where are they getting there info?
-what incentives are involved?
-why did that one person disagree?
the majority of the world tells me that if i jump i will come right back down due to gravity
and since they have tested so many times that its a law they can all independently assume that i will fall
but the first time that i get stuck in the air or keep going up, its instantly shown that im right, yeah theres a possiblity that there on to something but you cant assume that there right

 

[ArchangelGabriel]

And here is Lucy's Relative

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oh kool a virtual mirror

 

[Sophia7]

The Earth DOES look old. It looks like it's been around for billions of years. The problem with creationism is to explain why everything looks so dang old if it was only created 6000 years ago, as creationists claim. The argument goes that if Earth looks old, it is NOT because it actually IS old, but because God must have made it that way for whatever reason. You may not have said it, but it is a common argument used by creationists. Out of curiosity, why do you believe that the Earth looks older than 6000 years (give or take)?

I am a creationist. I believe in a literal Adam and Eve. And I am not hung up on the idea of the earth being 6,000 years old. I actually believe that the earth is probably older than that. Please don't generalize and assume that all creationists believe the same way on all of these issues.

One question I have that no one has answered yet is how would you explain the entrance of sin into the human experience? According to an evolutionary model, death would have had to occur before sin because other organisms existed, died, and became extinct before humans evolved. Would you say that the account of the Fall of Man is not literal either? If not, was there ever a time when people were not sinful, and how did they become sinful? And, if metaphorical, what would the biblical account be a metaphor for? How would it relate to the process of human evolution?

 

[ArchangelGabriel]

What party is represented by a monkey?

 

[GraceInHim]

LOL - rotfl hahaha spitting my soda

 

[ArchangelGabriel]

anything you can we can do better
anyting you can were better than you

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