Darwin's evolution theory?

[GraceInHim]

I'm a biochemist-at least I was until I had children-so now I'm a mom with an expensive education.
I remember sitting in class studying protein synthesis and thinking to myself, "There is NO way that all this just happened by itself." Every component of our bodies, every gene, every biological cycle are just so incredibly complex. Someone once said to me that if you go out into nature and find a watch just lying there, NO ONE ever says, "Wow, look how this watch evolved here. Isn't it interesting how the wind smoothed the gold over time, and how the all the gears are formed so perfectly?"

But human beings, who are incredibly more complex, just arose accidentally?

yes - by God - we evolved from him - so do you think our children should be taught ancestory from Apes - and my 2 sons was told this in HS in Biology and I just asked my son sitting right here who is 16 and he says about evolution - they said apes - but thank God he knows better

 

[ArchangelGabriel]

point refuted a thousand times, generally creationlist lies and distortions

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html

they've all been debunked.

WHAT POINT i asked a question
stop with the link, you cant expect us to take your resourecees seriuosly if you dont take ours seriously

 

[GraceInHim]

Well, evolution doesn't have to do with origin. Of course it's absurd to think that it just happened accidentally. I take biochemistry next year...providing, that is, that I survive organic chemistry. It's soooo complicated...

GraceInHim...common ancestor is not the same as an Ape. Both my statements stand.

to me common seems like we have in common

 

[Melethiel]

It's not that big a deal really...I'm perfectly willing to believe that everything else evolved and God created humans special.

 

[GraceInHim]

It's not that big a deal really...I'm perfectly willing to believe that everything else evolved and God created humans special.

and I think you are very special as we all are - thanks

 

[knownbeforetime]

Romans 1

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.


21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

2 Peter 3

3First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." 5But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
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Peter and Paul denounce any form of naturalism. To exchange of glory of God* for the images of animals like the one invisible trousers' posted is to invite all manner of wickedness and to deny the promise of His coming. Has anyone ever noticed that one's view on origins seems to affect their view of prophecy? (I'm thinking of starting a thread on that somewhere, sometime.)

*God said it was good which would be to his glory. Psalm 19:1 says the heavens proclaim his glory.

Secondly, God doesn't view us as dumb animals. He wouldn't tell Moses a fable because he was a dumb ancient sand bug. God values us more than that. Exodus 33:11 - "The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend." In the NT, John 15:13-15 - "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do what I command. I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you."

A friend isn't someone who tells you half-truths and insults your intelligence.

And if you believe that the "days" in Genesis are really thousands of years, then you won't have to worry about going to church for a long while. Because the word "day" in Genesis 1 is the same as the word "day" in Exodus 20 regarding the Sabbath.

BTW, as I'm writing this, the news just announced that KS (my state) has allowed the mention of ID in the classroom.

And now for the contentious statement: I would cease to be a Christian if evolution was proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. In my very humble opinion, I think there would be no reason to go on with such a "charade as Christianity" if evolution were proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. But since it hasn't, I have quite a lot of faith that there is a God and he didn't use evolution to bring us here.

 

[GraceInHim]

BTW, as I'm writing this, the news just announced that KS (my state) has allowed the mention of ID in the classroom.

amen to that

please do start a thread - you have so much good knowledge to share with all

 

[coolstylinstud]

How does any of that describe evolution

 

[invisible trousers]

WHAT POINT i asked a question
stop with the link, you cant expect us to take your resourecees seriuosly if you dont take ours seriously

i don't take your resources seriously because they are completely unscientific and outright lies or distortions.

Peter and Paul denounce any form of naturalism. To exchange of glory of God* for the images of animals like the one invisible trousers' posted is to invite all manner of wickedness and to deny the promise of His coming.

rich! why don't you just go ahead and call me unchristian? obviously one can only be a true christian™ if they believe in a literal creation. any christian who believes otherwise must be wicked and a tool of the devil.

And now for the contentious statement: I would cease to be a Christian if evolution was proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. In my very humble opinion, I think there would be no reason to go on with such a "charade as Christianity" if evolution were proved beyond a shadow of a doubt.

your entire faith hinges on an interpretation of creation? how sad

edit:

# (A) Pan troglodytes, chimpanzee, modern
# (B) Australopithecus africanus, STS 5, 2.6 My
# (C) Australopithecus africanus, STS 71, 2.5 My
# (D) Homo habilis, KNM-ER 1813, 1.9 My
# (E) Homo habilis, OH24, 1.8 My
# (F) Homo rudolfensis, KNM-ER 1470, 1.8 My
# (G) Homo erectus, Dmanisi cranium D2700, 1.75 My
# (H) Homo ergaster (early H. erectus), KNM-ER 3733, 1.75 My
# (I) Homo heidelbergensis, "Rhodesia man," 300,000 - 125,000 y
# (J) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, La Ferrassie 1, 70,000 y
# (K) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, La Chappelle-aux-Saints, 60,000 y
# (L) Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, Le Moustier, 45,000 y
# (M) Homo sapiens sapiens, Cro-Magnon I, 30,000 y
# (N) Homo sapiens sapiens, modern

 

[lmnop9876]

It's not that big a deal really...I'm perfectly willing to believe that everything else evolved and God created humans special.

i also believe many things evolved. for example, God probably only created one kind of dog, one kind of cat, one kind of elephant, &c. &c. these have later adapted to their environment to form many different species. this isn't the darwinian theory of evolution, however, which states that everything formed from nothing with a big bang. plain common-sense ought to tell any person who believes in God that this is the biggest load of non-scientific nonsense there is.
the Bible specifically condemns the modern scientific theory of uniformitarianism, which states that all things continue in the same way and at the same rate as they always have:

2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

the theory of uniformitarianism is essential to the darwinian idea of evolution. however, the Bible plainly tells us that catastrophic events have greatly altered the world and its geography and geology, and the scientific evidence supports this.

 

[MoodyBlue]

yes - but there are many kids without guidance - so should we ignore them? and this is about is our ancestors were Apes not anything else.

Absolutely maddening. I suggest you all read "Inherit the Wind" for a bit of perspective on this subject. Amazing that the same "monkey" argument is still being tossed around 80 years later. If you are adverse to reading any literature other the KJV Bible, you can always rent the movie version (1960, with Spencer Tracey).

 

[GraceInHim]

again the skulls - repost - I believe Halloween is over

 

[invisible trousers]

this isn't the darwinian theory of evolution, however, which states that everything formed from nothing with a big bang.

evolution doesn't say that. why do you keep lying?

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catastrophic events have greatly altered the world and its geography and geology, and the scientific evidence supports this.

that's a lie also.

 

[marciebaby]

Well, evolution doesn't have to do with origin. Of course it's absurd to think that it just happened accidentally. I take biochemistry next year...providing, that is, that I survive organic chemistry. It's soooo complicated...

GraceInHim...common ancestor is not the same as an Ape. Both my statements stand.

I actually wish I had become an organic chemist instead of a biochemist. I love organic chemistry. Not that either would matter at this point in my life. Maybe after my kiddos are grown.

 

[GraceInHim]

Absolutely maddening. I suggest you all read "Inherit the Wind" for a bit of perspective on this subject. Amazing that the same "monkey" argument is still being tossed around 80 years later. If you are adverse to reading any literature other the KJV Bible, you can always rent the movie version (1960, with Spencer Tracey).

thanks but ahhhh no thanks - I stick with God and he discerns truth from fiction - and how do you know I read only KJV? snoopy??? LOL I know what you are???

 

[lmnop9876]

evolution doesn't say that. why do you keep lying?

how do i keep lying??? that was only my second post in this thread!!!

that's a lie also.

NO IT'S NOT!!! I'm studying geography at uni, and the more i study, the more convinced i am that things such as the grand canyon could only have been formed by a catastrophic event. see the work that Mt. St. Helens did??? imagine what a series of massive floods worldwide, with volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis, massive explosions of underground water reservoirs, &c. &c. &c. would have done. think about it from an unbiased viewpoint, and read what the Bible actually says.

 

[GraceInHim]

how do i keep lying??? that was only my second post in this thread!!!

NO IT'S NOT!!! I'm studying geography at uni, and the more i study, the more convinced i am that things such as the grand canyon could only have been formed by a catastrophic event. see the work that Mt. St. Helens did??? imagine what a series of massive floods worldwide, with volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis, massive explosions of underground water reservoirs, &c. &c. &c. would have done. think about it from an unbiased viewpoint, and read what the Bible actually says.

yes I have done these studies on internet - and no you are not a liar - and people who call names like this should be nice - ignore it PJW

 

[lmnop9876]

yes I have done these studies on internet - and no you are not a liar - and people who call names like this should be nice - ignore it PJW

and the weirdest thing is, i'd only posted twice in this whole thread!

 

[GraceInHim]

and the weirdest thing is, i'd only posted twice in this whole thread!

reps to you for taking it - I know - find anything to go against someone - did it to me also

 

[knownbeforetime]

rich! why don't you just go ahead and call me unchristian? obviously one can only be a true christian™ if they believe in a literal creation. any christian who believes otherwise must be wicked and a tool of the devil.

your entire faith hinges on an interpretation of creation? how sad

I didn't call you "non-christian". I was a TE too at one point... until I realised that the Genesis account made more sense. Romans doesn't say you'll go straight to hell for even thinking about evolution. While you may be saved, to believe in evolution is to invite all manner of wickedness and to deny the promise of his coming.

The reason I first turned from evolution is because I realized that there was some dissension from the church. I thought it was established fact until I read a few books on the subject. Then, I realized that without the Genesis story, there is no reason for Christ's death and resurrection. The first messianic prophecy in made in Genesis 3, which is about the virgin birth!

But no, my faith doesn't altogether rely on my interpretation of creation. It rests on the Rock of Jesus Christ. And he regards me as a friend and someone who deserves to know what the Father is doing and has done, and that includes the creation story.

Call me a fundy...