Darwin's Dilemma, God spoke and it was fully formed

[reddogs]

The fossil record shows that nearly all major animal groups abruptly appeared on earth. Dubbed the 'Cambrian explosion,' this dramatic burst of biodiversity without clear evolutionary precursors has created headaches for evolutionists ever since Darwin. He knew that if the animals were found fully formed and didnt 'evolve', that the fossil record contradicted what his 'theory of evolution' predicted. In his book 'On the Origin of Species', Darwin declared that if his theory of evolution were true 'it is indisputable that before the lowest Cambrian stratum was deposited.. the world swarmed with living creatures.' Yet Darwin admitted that the fossil record below the Cambrian strata did not show such creatures. Instead 'species belonging to several of the main divisions of the animal kingdom suddenly appear in the lowest known fossiliferous rocks' without any evidence of prior ancestral forms. Darwin frankly acknowledged that this lack of ancestral forms was 'a valid argument' against his theory. But Darwin basically hoped that time would provide the evidence that was lacking. And now we have the James Webb Space Telescope show much the same in the heavens, were they hoped to see empty space before the Big Bang, they find fully formed galaxies and stars. It is a problem as if their theory of the Big Bang is correct, these telescopes should be able to see ?times? when no stars or galaxies exist. But it appears stars and galaxies exist, no matter how far out they look.

The James Webb Space Telescope discovers enormous distant galaxies that should not exist

So what will it do to their theory if no part of the visible universe fails to contain stars or galaxies and instead the heavens testify of Creation exactly as described in Scripture.

Psalm 33:6
6 By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Psalm 33:9
9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Hebrews 11:3
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Genesis 1:1-5
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

 

[Diamond7]

In his book 'On the Origin of Species', Darwin declared that if his theory of evolution were true 'it is indisputable that before the lowest Cambrian stratum was deposited.

In the context of science, a theory must be potentially disputable in order to be considered a valid scientific theory.

The quote reflects Darwin's commitment to scientific inquiry, his willingness to acknowledge uncertainties, and his recognition of the need for further research and evidence. It is a reminder that scientific theories, including the theory of evolution, are subject to revision and refinement based on new data and discoveries.

The quote in chapter 10 is as follows:

"To the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these assumed earliest periods prior to the Cambrian system, I can give no satisfactory answer. The case at present must remain inexplicable; and may be truly urged as a valid argument against the views here entertained."

 

[Gary K]

In the context of science, a theory must be potentially disputable in order to be considered a valid scientific theory.

The quote reflects Darwin's commitment to scientific inquiry, his willingness to acknowledge uncertainties, and his recognition of the need for further research and evidence. It is a reminder that scientific theories, including the theory of evolution, are subject to revision and refinement based on new data and discoveries.

The quote in chapter 10 is as follows:

"To the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these assumed earliest periods prior to the Cambrian system, I can give no satisfactory answer. The case at present must remain inexplicable; and may be truly urged as a valid argument against the views here entertained."

Why do we see what reddogs mentioned? Because the creation story is true. There is only two possible explanation for life. One is God, the other is evolution. There will never be any evidence in the fossil record to sustain it as the fossils exist because of the flood. Experiments have shown that soft tissue animals begin breaking down in soft mud in 6 1/2 days so how do we get completely intact fossils of fish all over the world? Why is the so called geologic column found in it's entirety found in only about 1% of the world?

All of these things point to the creation story being true. Sorry, but I don't have enough faith to believe in evolution. Real science is based upom conducting experiments with observable, repeatable results. Nothing in the theory of evolution comes close to that. That's why it's always shrouded in millions and billions of years. Like I said, I simply don't have the faith needed to believe in that kind of thing. It's just too incredible to be believable.

 

[Job 33:6]

The fossil record shows that nearly all major animal groups abruptly appeared on earth. Dubbed the 'Cambrian explosion,' this dramatic burst of biodiversity without clear evolutionary precursors has created headaches for evolutionists ever since Darwin. He knew that if the animals were found fully formed and didnt 'evolve', that the fossil record contradicted what his 'theory of evolution' predicted. In his book 'On the Origin of Species', Darwin declared that if his theory of evolution were true 'it is indisputable that before the lowest Cambrian stratum was deposited.. the world swarmed with living creatures.' Yet Darwin admitted that the fossil record below the Cambrian strata did not show such creatures. Instead 'species belonging to several of the main divisions of the animal kingdom suddenly appear in the lowest known fossiliferous rocks' without any evidence of prior ancestral forms. Darwin frankly acknowledged that this lack of ancestral forms was 'a valid argument' against his theory. But Darwin basically hoped that time would provide the evidence that was lacking. And now we have the James Webb Space Telescope show much the same in the heavens, were they hoped to see empty space before the Big Bang, they find fully formed galaxies and stars. It is a problem as if their theory of the Big Bang is correct, these telescopes should be able to see ?times? when no stars or galaxies exist. But it appears stars and galaxies exist, no matter how far out they look.

The James Webb Space Telescope discovers enormous distant galaxies that should not exist

So what will it do to their theory if no part of the visible universe fails to contain stars or galaxies and instead the heavens testify of Creation exactly as described in Scripture.

Psalm 33:6
6 By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

Psalm 33:9
9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Hebrews 11:3
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Genesis 1:1-5
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

The Bible is not a science textbook. It describes ancient near east cosmology.

And God said, “Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
Genesis 1:6

God made the dome, and separated the waters which were below the dome from the waters which were above the dome; and it was so. God called the dome heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.
Genesis 1:7‭-‬8

And God said, “Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years,
Genesis 1:14

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened.
Genesis 7:11

the fountains of the deep and the windows of the heavens were closed, the rain from the heavens was restrained,
Genesis 8:2

And God said, “Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the dome of the sky.”
Genesis 1:20

And he dreamed that there was a ladder set up on the earth, the top of it reaching to heaven; and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. And the Lord stood beside him [or stood above it] and said, “I am the Lord, the God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie I will give to you and to your offspring;
Genesis 28:12‭-‬13

“You shall not make for yourself a divine image with any form that is in the heavens above or that is in the earth below or that is in the water below the earth.
Exodus 20:4

and they saw the God of Israel. Under his feet there was something like a pavement of sapphire stone, like the very heaven for clearness.
Exodus 24:10

Thick clouds enwrap him, so that he does not see, and he walks on the dome of heaven.’
Job 22:14

He has described a circle [earths shape] on the face of the water between light and darkness. “The pillars of heaven tremble, and they are astounded at his rebuke.
Job 26:10‭-‬11

Can you, like him, spread out the skies, hard as a molten mirror?
Job 37:18

Hast thou with him spread out the sky, Which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?
Job 37:18

can you join him in spreading out the skies, hard as a mirror of cast bronze?
Job 37:18

Have you entered the storehouse of the snow, or seen the armory of the hail,
Job 38:22
God stores his weapons and mana in storehouses to help the isrealites in battle, and to give gifts to His people.

So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
Joshua 10:13

Yet in all the world their line goes out, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has pitched a tent for the sun,
Psalms 19:4

The tree that you saw, which grew great and strong, so that its top reached to heaven and was visible to the end of the whole earth,
Daniel 4:20

The Lord sits enthroned over the flood; the Lord sits enthroned as king forever.
Psalms 29:10

Yet he commanded the skies above and opened the doors of heaven,
Psalm 78:23

you set the beams of your chambers on the waters, you make the clouds your chariot, you ride on the wings of the wind,
Psalms 104:3

He causes the clouds to arise from the end of the earth, makes lightning bolts accompany the rain, and brings the wind out of his storehouses.
Psalms 135:7

To him who spread out the earth above the waters, for his loyal love endures forever.
Psalms 136:6

Praise him, highest heavens, and waters above the heavens. Let them praise the name of Yahweh, because he commanded and they were created. And he put them in place *forever and ever*, by a decree he gave that will not pass away.
Psalms 148:4‭-‬6

Praise Yah. Praise God in his sanctuary; praise him in his mighty firmament.
Psalms 150:1

and all the host of heaven shall rot. And the skies shall roll up like a scroll, and all their host shall wither like the withering of a leaf from a vine, or like the withering from a fig tree.
Isaiah 34:4

It is he who sits above the *circle* of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to live in;
Isaiah 40:22

Over the heads of the angels there was something like a dome, shining like crystal, spread out above their heads.
Ezekiel 1:22

And above the dome over their heads there was something like a throne, in appearance like sapphire stone; and seated above the likeness of a throne was something that seemed like a human form.
Ezekiel 1:26

And I looked, and look! On the dome that was above the head of the cherubim something like a stone of sapphire, and like the appearance of the shape of a throne it appeared above them.
Ezekiel 10:1

He made strong the skies above, When the springs of the deep became fixed, When He set for the sea its boundary So that the water would not transgress His command, When He marked out the foundations of the earth;
Proverbs 8:28-‬29

The sky vanished like a scroll rolling itself up, and every mountain and island was why removed from its place.
Revelation 6:14

After this I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.”
Revelation 4:1

“Where were you at my laying the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you possess understanding. Who determined its measurement? Yes, you do know. Or who stretched the measuring line upon it? On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone,
Job 38:4‭-‬6

The earth and all its inhabitants are shaking; I steady its columns. Selah
Psalms 75:3

For the pillars of the earth are the LORD's, And he hath set the world upon them.
1 Samuel 2:8

 

[Gary K]

The Bible is not a science textbook. It describes ancient near east cosmology.

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And God said, “Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
Genesis 1:6

God made the dome, and separated the waters which were below the dome from the waters which were above the dome; and it was so. God called the dome heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.
Genesis 1:7‭-‬8

And God said, “Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years,
Genesis 1:14

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened.
Genesis 7:11

the fountains of the deep and the windows of the heavens were closed, the rain from the heavens was restrained,
Genesis 8:2

And God said, “Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the dome of the sky.”
Genesis 1:20

And he dreamed that there was a ladder set up on the earth, the top of it reaching to heaven; and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. And the Lord stood beside him [or stood above it] and said, “I am the Lord, the God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie I will give to you and to your offspring;
Genesis 28:12‭-‬13

“You shall not make for yourself a divine image with any form that is in the heavens above or that is in the earth below or that is in the water below the earth.
Exodus 20:4

and they saw the God of Israel. Under his feet there was something like a pavement of sapphire stone, like the very heaven for clearness.
Exodus 24:10

Thick clouds enwrap him, so that he does not see, and he walks on the dome of heaven.’
Job 22:14

He has described a circle [earths shape] on the face of the water between light and darkness. “The pillars of heaven tremble, and they are astounded at his rebuke.
Job 26:10‭-‬11

Can you, like him, spread out the skies, hard as a molten mirror?
Job 37:18

Hast thou with him spread out the sky, Which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?
Job 37:18

can you join him in spreading out the skies, hard as a mirror of cast bronze?
Job 37:18

Have you entered the storehouse of the snow, or seen the armory of the hail,
Job 38:22
God stores his weapons and mana in storehouses to help the isrealites in battle, and to give gifts to His people.

So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
Joshua 10:13

Yet in all the world their line goes out, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has pitched a tent for the sun,
Psalms 19:4

The tree that you saw, which grew great and strong, so that its top reached to heaven and was visible to the end of the whole earth,
Daniel 4:20

The Lord sits enthroned over the flood; the Lord sits enthroned as king forever.
Psalms 29:10

Yet he commanded the skies above and opened the doors of heaven,
Psalm 78:23

you set the beams of your chambers on the waters, you make the clouds your chariot, you ride on the wings of the wind,
Psalms 104:3

He causes the clouds to arise from the end of the earth, makes lightning bolts accompany the rain, and brings the wind out of his storehouses.
Psalms 135:7

To him who spread out the earth above the waters, for his loyal love endures forever.
Psalms 136:6

Praise him, highest heavens, and waters above the heavens. Let them praise the name of Yahweh, because he commanded and they were created. And he put them in place *forever and ever*, by a decree he gave that will not pass away.
Psalms 148:4‭-‬6

Praise Yah. Praise God in his sanctuary; praise him in his mighty firmament.
Psalms 150:1

and all the host of heaven shall rot. And the skies shall roll up like a scroll, and all their host shall wither like the withering of a leaf from a vine, or like the withering from a fig tree.
Isaiah 34:4

It is he who sits above the *circle* of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to live in;
Isaiah 40:22

Over the heads of the angels there was something like a dome, shining like crystal, spread out above their heads.
Ezekiel 1:22

And above the dome over their heads there was something like a throne, in appearance like sapphire stone; and seated above the likeness of a throne was something that seemed like a human form.
Ezekiel 1:26

And I looked, and look! On the dome that was above the head of the cherubim something like a stone of sapphire, and like the appearance of the shape of a throne it appeared above them.
Ezekiel 10:1

He made strong the skies above, When the springs of the deep became fixed, When He set for the sea its boundary So that the water would not transgress His command, When He marked out the foundations of the earth;
Proverbs 8:28-‬29

The sky vanished like a scroll rolling itself up, and every mountain and island was why removed from its place.
Revelation 6:14

After this I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.”
Revelation 4:1

“Where were you at my laying the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you possess understanding. Who determined its measurement? Yes, you do know. Or who stretched the measuring line upon it? On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone,
Job 38:4‭-‬6

The earth and all its inhabitants are shaking; I steady its columns. Selah
Psalms 75:3

For the pillars of the earth are the LORD's, And he hath set the world upon them.
1 Samuel 2:8

Are you a believer in a flat earth? Your illustrations look just like the ones I seen them use.

 

[Job 33:6]

Are you a believer in a flat earth? Your illustrations look just like the ones I seen them use.

Ancient Near East cosmology is not equivalent to modern 21st century flat earthism. The Biblical authors lived before the invention and discovery of things like telescopes and space ships and satellites.

And so the Bible depicts, essentially a pre-scientific perspective of the cosmos. Known as ancient near east cosmology.

 

[Job 33:6]

Did you have any further thoughts on the subject?

Are you a believer in a flat earth? Your illustrations look just like the ones I seen them use.

 

[Gary K]

Did you have any further thoughts on the subject?

Sorry, I should have answered you. I have no excuse I just didn't do it, No. I don't. I had just never heard of the term Okd Testament cosmology before.