Darwinism

[Amisk]

"Darwinism has been around for about 150 years. It was a theory at that time and no one has proved any part of these theories in the last 150 years." Author Unknown

 

[Andy Broadley]

"Darwinism has been around for about 150 years. It was a theory at that time and no one has proved any part of these theories in the last 150 years." Author Unknown

Ah...the great debate finally makes it onto CyberCorps.

About time we hosted it for a while.

 

[Andy Broadley]

OK. I'll kick us off.

I would suggest that Darwins theory of evolution is flawed in that he attempted to remove God from the process, and without God it becomes impossible.

I suggest to you that God did indeed use evolution (in pretty much the way that Darwin described), as His means of creation.

Furthermore, I suggest that this is entirely compatible with the creation story as given in the book of Genisis.

That book was written to a tribe of mainly illiterate nomadic goat farmers. The account of events that was given to them was one that they would be able to comprehend.

There is overwhelming evidence to prove that the world is around 14.5 billion years old, rather than 6000 as usually claimed by the Young earth creationists.

Archeological and other evidence has proven creation by evolution beyond 'reasonable' doubt (it is also accepted that we have much to learn).

 

[Amisk]

OK. I'll kick us off.


Furthermore, I suggest that this is entirely compatible with the creation story as given in the book of Genesis.

That book was written to a tribe of mainly illiterate nomadic goat farmers. The account of events that was given to them was one that they would be able to comprehend.

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If the creation story as told in Genesis was untrue but was written merely so that a bunch of goat herders had explanation of how man came to the earth, is the Life of Christ a fairy tale by God so that a bunch of uneducated fisherman could be entertained?

 

[Andy Broadley]

If the creation story as told in Genesis was untrue but was written merely so that a bunch of goat herders had explanation of how man came to the earth, is the Life of Christ a fairy tale by God so that a bunch of uneducated fisherman could be entertained?

Obviously not.

Meanwhile back on topic...

 

[Abiel]

Genesis 1 is different to Genesis 2. So which chapter are we to take to be literal? Can't be both, surely?

 

[sawitch]

OK. I'll kick us off.

I would suggest that Darwins theory of evolution is flawed in that he attempted to remove God from the process, and without God it becomes impossible.

I suggest to you that God did indeed use evolution (in pretty much the way that Darwin described), as His means of creation.

Furthermore, I suggest that this is entirely compatible with the creation story as given in the book of Genisis.

That book was written to a tribe of mainly illiterate nomadic goat farmers. The account of events that was given to them was one that they would be able to comprehend.

There is overwhelming evidence to prove that the world is around 14.5 billion years old, rather than 6000 as usually claimed by the Young earth creationists.

Archeological and other evidence has proven creation by evolution beyond 'reasonable' doubt (it is also accepted that we have much to learn).

Well said brother. I agree wholeheartedly!!

 

[Andy Broadley]

lol. Looks like the debate is going to rather as slow one.

These evolution/creation wrangles are nornally good old fashioned gloves off, blood and guts free for alls.

Which is OK, if you like that kind of thing. I don't mind 'em sometimes, as long as you can all be mates afterwards.

 

[Abiel]

Waddaya expect! This is the Army! No time for controversy!

 

[Andy Broadley]

Waddaya expect! This is the Army! No time for controversy!

No controversy in the Army!!!

We don't observe water baptism or communion

We have women in the highest positions of leadership and can't understand why other churches make such a fuss about this issue.

Pretty controvertial to many Christians.

Besides, being controvertial is what the Army was built on.

 

[Andy Broadley]

How does that songster piece go?

I dare to be different....

 

[Abiel]

only I can hit the high A at the end!

so, Darwin...

 

[Andy Broadley]

only I can hit the high A at the end!

so, Darwin...

So Darwin got it right and wrong in equal measure.

His theory of evolution works, but not if you remove God from the picture.

 

[Amisk]

Waddaya expect! This is the Army! No time for controversy!

"If we are going to stand our ground on issues that matter, we will be involved in controversy, though hopefully not with guns.

Jesus spend thirty-three years in this world and he was embroiled in controversy from the beginning until he passed behind a big white drifter cloud which shut him from human view but not from controversy. The controversy only increased as the centuries went on and if Revelations is true (and I believe it is), controversy will only increase as the end of time draws nearer.

Christianity will either remain controversial or it will die. After all Christianity must mean enough for every Christian to fight and die for, or it has no meaning at all.

We can not co-exist and live up to the call of Christ to evangelize our world! Evangelism will always bred controversy and converts.

A church which believes in co-existence will have few converts to the Gospel. A church with few or no converts to the faith has failed its mission to evangelize the world according to Mark 16."

 

[Andy Broadley]

"If we are going to stand our ground on issues that matter, we will be involved in controversy, though hopefully not with guns.

Jesus spend thirty-threes in this world and he was embroiled in controversy from the beginning until he passed behind a big white drifter cloud which shut him from human view but not from controversy. The controversy only increased as the centuries went on and if Revelations is true (and I believe it is), controversy will only increase as the end of time draws nearer.

Christianity will either remain controversial or it will dye. After all Christianity must mean enough for every Christian to fight and die for, or it has no meaning at all.

We can not co-exist and live up to the call of Christ to evangelize our world! Evangelism will always bred controversy and converts.

A church which believes in co-exist will have few converts to the Gospel. A church with few or no converts to the faith has failed its mission to evangelize the world according to Mark 16."

Halelujah

"We are in the world, not of it"

(Never mind Darwin, this is better)

 

[Athanasian Creed]

Genesis 1 is different to Genesis 2. So which chapter are we to take to be literal? Can't be both, surely?

Genesis condradictions?? - http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v18/i4/genesis.asp Ray

 

[Loukuss]

I usually try and stay away from these deabtes, but I couldnt help myself.

I would suggest that Darwins theory of evolution is flawed in that he attempted to remove God from the process, and without God it becomes impossible.

Not the only thing flawed.

I suggest to you that God did indeed use evolution (in pretty much the way that Darwin described), as His means of creation.

I suggest to you that you are dead wrong. God has no need for Darwin's theory of evolution. WHile its true that evolution works at the macro level, its is completly nonsense at the micro level.

Furthermore, I suggest that this is entirely compatible with the creation story as given in the book of Genisis.

I suggest, once again, that you are severly mistaken.
If the Genesis account does not mean what it plainly says, but must be 'interpreted' to fit an evolutionary world, how are we to understand the rest of the Bible? How are we to know then that the historical account of Jesus's birth, life, death and resurrection shouldnt be reinterpreted?

That book was written to a tribe of mainly illiterate nomadic goat farmers. The account of events that was given to them was one that they would be able to comprehend.

The book, written by Moses, was to convey a mesage from God: I made all of this! You have to understand that this account had been in oral tradition for a long, long time before it was written down. Generation after generation had passed it down to their descendants.

There is overwhelming evidence to prove that the world is around 14.5 billion years old, rather than 6000 as usually claimed by the Young earth creationists.

Science is man seeking to explain everything in the world without using God. Why do you place so much faith something that seeks to remove God from the picture? I'll take God's Word over science any day, thank you.
Furthermore, where do you get the 14.5 billion from?
If God used all the time to create us, why do we rest on the 7th day of the week?
If God created us in His image, in order to have children that would love Him, why would be use evolution that would take 14.5 billion years to create us? Why wouldnt He just snap His fingers and be done with His creation? It makes no sense.

Archeological and other evidence has proven creation by evolution beyond 'reasonable' doubt ).

Incorrect. Evolution is still a theory for a reason" it CANT be proven. Microbiologists, chemists, people who have much invested in evolution understand that evolution is a theory and only that. Many even admit that there are many holes and flaws in the theory. If need be, we can examine together these.

shalom.

Lucas