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What???? Where in the world are you getting dishonesty out of this?
You continually leave out life in your speculation.
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This is the lack of honesty I am talking about.
That is the feature that is unique to our universe. In universes with different constants, we could find features that were unique to that universe and not found in our universe. This would mean that the other universe is fine tuned for those unique features. Every universe would be fine tuned.
They are also critical for the development of the Face on Mars, as already shown.
What???? Where in the world are you getting dishonesty out of this?
You continually leave out life in your speculation.
I hate to break this to you LM but there is no face on Mars, it doesn't exist. There is a eroded butte or mesa, no different than any other part of the surrounding landscape.
To evolve there are 26 features that are critical to the existence of life on earth and those are only the ones we know about.
True but we are speaking about known properties and the requirements for life. We do know what it takes for life to exist and what the universe needs to supply it and how it does so precisely is known.
Read your own post. You claim that there is no wiggle room, and yet you spell out what the wiggle room is.
No, even though it is only speculation and nothing more to calculate other universes into the mix, even with millions and millions the fine tuning is still there.You leave out the rest of the universe in your speculations.
Only 26? Fewer than I was thinking actually, and that only applies to life as we know it too.
The universe is not that well known, honestly
How is only 0.07 the life permitting value give wiggle room? 0.06 no life. 0.08 no life. 0.07 life. Now where are you seeing wiggle room?
No, even though it is only speculation and nothing more to calculate other universes into the mix, even with millions and millions the fine tuning is still there.
How do you not see it? What about 0.071? Would that permit life? What about 0.077? 0.067?
Prove it. What evidence do you have to show that? Scientists who have researched it claim that there could be other universes but they would not be life permitting unless there were infinite universes and even then out of all the universes there would still be only a few life permitting and the fine tuning of those would need to be explained as well.The fine tuning would be there in every universe since every universe would have rare or unique features.
If you want to call that wiggle room in a vast universe with infinite possibilities suit yourself.
Prove it. What evidence do you have to show that? Scientists who have researched it claim that there could be other universes but they would not be life permitting unless there were infinite universes and even then out of all the universes there would still be only a few life permitting and the fine tuning of those would need to be explained as well.
Well until you research it I don't see much happening in our debates on the subject.anyway.
If you want to call that wiggle room in a vast universe with infinite possibilities suit yourself. I just see someone grasping at anything to deny reality. But hey, if you are comfortable with that who am I to burst your bubble. Deny away.
Well it may not be what I am trained in but I have spent close to a year researching it.So much is unknown about physics still that debating about it, when neither of us has that as our forte, is pretty silly
Well it may not be what I am trained in but I have spent close to a year researching it.
That is the dishonesty that I am talking about. A constant can vary by as much as 10%, and you refuse to accept that as wiggle room.
I didn't say they would be life permitting. Did you read my post or not?
Think on that, would a year of biology alone be enough to really be adequate talking about it to the degree we do?
Just as there are different areas of biology there are different areas of physics and the fine tuning issue is a very specific area of study.
At best I could be wrong about the significance of the range, to call my statement dishonest is just a common reaction with you.
If we look at the ranges available which are infinite then is 0.01 significant?
I am not a mathematician and so I would need to educate myself to determine if I am overlooking a significant factor that physicists more educated than I have called very precise and fine tuned for life in this instance.
Which was my point.
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