Darwin Confesses evolution not being conceivable!

Pete Harcoff · Sep 23, 2003

Frumious Bandersnatch said:
Do you know what off topic means??????

Not to mention "shifting the goalposts".

"Okay fine, so you can explain the biological diversity of life on Earth... But can you explain the ultimate origin of the universe? Didn't think so! Neener, neener, neener!"

Arikay · Sep 23, 2003

Make a new thread about it and they might.

Unless of course, you dont really want them too, so that you can keep saying this.

TransformedByGrace said:
This will turn into an entire new post, watch it... but seriously, I am ready to answer any question about my belief in God, why won't evos do the same?

blixation · Sep 23, 2003

you know there is always this resistance to the things of God and His truth. This bold face denial that the heart is wrong stands fundamentally opposed to what the scriptures teaches that the heart is wrong and the heart is in need of mending.

Was it not Malcolm Muggeridge who once said, "that the depravity of man is at once the most empirically verifiable reality, but at the same time the most intellectually resisted fact."

I mean if you where to ask the top scientists in the world how do they explain away certain things they would tell you, "that we recognize that that was a question of an immense problem for scientists, but we selectively select the problems we choose to respond to."

Once again think for example how does one explain the origin of the universe? I'm not talking about evolution, which is a process after the origin but the origin of the universe. Again when Bertram Russell was asked where the origin of the universe came from he said, "It's just there!" You know why can't we as Christians say that about God 'He's just there!' aw that's not satisfactory. But the 'Big Bang' can explain its bangingness, without any other question thrown at it. Its a nimbus its protection.

You know a professor at Cambridge, a professor of Quantum. Dr. John Polkinghorne once stated the impossibility of the universe happening by accident. Dr. Polkinghorne is one the leading Quantum Physicists in the world and His book "Quantum," which was acclaimed by physicists of one of the best in its genre. Dr. John Polkinghorne was once lecturing on the first three seconds of the existence of the universe and he made this comment. He said as fact, "Do you know that the ratio between the expansion and the contraction had to be so precise, so exact, and the margin of error so small. That it would be literally like taking aim at a one square in object on the other end of the universe, 20 billion light years away and hitting it bulls-eye?" Dr. Polkinghorne said that!

Then Dr. Polkinghorne at the end of his lecture with a sneer on his face said to the class, "Ladies and gentlemen, theres no free lunch, somebody has to pay." In other words you dont get a Universe so densely textured, and so information rich by accident.

Meatros · Sep 23, 2003

TransformedByGrace said:
This will turn into an entire new post, watch it... but seriously, I am ready to answer any question about my belief in God, why won't evos do the same?

Fine, prove that your God exists (ie, the Christian God), empirical proof only.

Actually, any proof aside from anecdotal.

Nathan David · Sep 23, 2003

blixation said:
Once again think for example how does one explain the origin of the universe?

You already asked this question and Meatros already answered it.

blixation · Sep 23, 2003

lol. if you call that an answer then man we are going to be here all day.

Pete Harcoff · Sep 23, 2003

There is already a post from awhile back which outlines a variety of hypotheses for First Cause:

http://www.christianforums.com/t43923

Do we know for certainty what "caused" the universe? Nope. But does the inability to answer this question have any bearing on the other questions science can answer? Nope.

Meatros · Sep 23, 2003

blixation said:
lol. if you call that an answer then man we are going to be here all day.

Explain to me how the creation of the universe is directly related to the theory of biological evolution?

blixation · Sep 23, 2003

I can give some proof of God's exsistence and the sinful heart of man.

Meatros · Sep 23, 2003

blixation said:
I can give some proof of God's exsistence and the sinful heart of man.

The Christian God? Go right ahead then.

Megachihuahua · Sep 23, 2003

Met said:
I agree with gormless. Blixation is just taking weak evidence and stretching it. So what if Darwing doesn't believe in evolution. IT'S BEEN PROVEN!!!!! Come on. Blixation only hears what (s)he wants to. Why can't they just believe it.

Where is this proof you speak of?

blixation · Sep 23, 2003

You see people with all of our education today and all of sophisticated furies today. We have tried to explain this rebellion in the heart. We have tried to give it euphemistic terms and tried to find other descriptions of who we really are. But the Bible makes it clear that what is contained in the human heart, if it were ever exposed and understood would bring everyone of us to our knees when we see ourselves as God sees us.

Even a secular atheistic psychologist Hubbard Mallur who died in 1982; having committed suicide at the age of 75. A One time professor at Yale, and one time professor at Harvard. In 1960 in an article of American Psychologist says this, "for several decades we physiologist have looked upon the whole matter of sin and moral accountability as a great incubus and acclaim our liberation from sin as epoch making. But at length we have discovered that to be freed from sin, that is to have the excuse of being sick rather than being sinful, is to court the danger of also becoming lost. This danger I believe is betoken by the wide spread interest in existentialism which we are presently witnessing in becoming amoral, ethically neutral and free, we have cut the very roots of our being. Lost our deepest sense of selfhood and identity and would neurotics themselves to find ourselves asking, "who I am? What is my deepest destiny? And what does living really mean?"

Now imagine this an atheist, a secular thinker, who would not have given any credence to the scriptures. Makes the comment that in losing this transcending connection of wrong-ness, we have lost our sense of being and deepest sense of destiny and identity.

You see this resistance of acceptance of the truth.This bold face denial that the heart is wrong stands fundamentally opposed to what the scriptures teaches that the heart is wrong and the heart is in need of mending.

Was it not Malcolm Muggeridge who once said, "that the depravity of man is at once the most empirically verifiable reality, but at the same time the most intellectually resisted fact."

You see we all are sinful, and sin must be punished, and the only way for you to escape that punished is to trust in the Savior God already has provided for you.

Megachihuahua · Sep 23, 2003

Meatros said:
I see what you are saying, but the implication of it is that there are massive numbers of scientists who disagree with evolution. So yes, I agree that it's not technically untrue, but it is a point that's constantly refuted.

Do you remember the science teacher who wouldn't graduate his students if they didn't believe the evolution theory?

armed2010 · Sep 23, 2003

Megachihuahua said:
Do you remember the science teacher who wouldn't graduate his students if they didn't believe the evolution theory?

Do you remember the theology teachers who wouldnt pass their students unless they believed in christianity?

Meatros · Sep 23, 2003

You've just presented an appeal to authority and you've begged the question in addition you haven't provided a shred of evidence. So please keep your babble about the error-ridden book you profess to be God's Word to a minimum and provide this evidence that you have.

If it's a fact, surely it has evidence right? Not just people professing it to be true, right?

Meatros · Sep 23, 2003

Keep in mind, I recentally lost my faith. I was an ardent believer in Christ-until I woke up and figured out there wasn't any evidence of a personal deity. So if you have evidence, quit stalling.

Pete Harcoff · Sep 23, 2003

Megachihuahua said:
Do you remember the science teacher who wouldn't graduate his students if they didn't believe the evolution theory?

I've heard of the university prof who wouldn't give post-grad recommendations for students who didn't affirm that the theory of evolution is the correct explanation for explaining the origin of homo sapians.

Is that what you are referring to?

blixation · Sep 23, 2003

Meatros I'd have to admit that those who really were born again would never have lost their faith. It's not just a head knowledge of Christ but a transformation from God. John Piper once said, "To know God is to be changed by Him." Since you want evidence what do you leave to God? Is there no more faith in Him regardless of proof?

Megachihuahua · Sep 23, 2003

EvolvEarth said:
I have a feeling that blixation is another one of those people that is lying to us about his beliefs to stir emotions again.

Maybe instead of sending off cheap insults, you should take the evidence out of the safe, sit up straight, and take your head out of the sand.

Oh, missing links? I have coined a new term: unattached links. The critters must be viewed as seperate species, as they do not look enough like one species or the other.
Some unattached links:
Platipus
Megamouth shark
Opaki
These are all unique. So shutup.

Arikay · Sep 23, 2003

do you remember the high school Math teacher who would fail their students if they got incorrect answers on their test?

Maybe we should Sue.

Hmm, If I dont believe the earth orbits the sun, and I fail a class in astronomy, Does that mean I can complain that students are required to believe in the heliocentric model to pass the class?

Megachihuahua said:
Do you remember the science teacher who wouldn't graduate his students if they didn't believe the evolution theory?

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