Daniel's "Time of the End" and the mathematical precision of prophecy

[KerrMetric]

As i read the responses in this thread and others in this forum one thing strikes me more than any other. Where is the Christian love. Don't tell me your tired of dealing with fools and have grown short, because thats just a cop out.

No it isn't a cop out.

if your tired of being Christian, and loving your brother then you were never really a Christian anyway. which disqualifies you from commenting on prophecy.

Spare the rod and spoil the child.

Is it Christian for someone to post error filled claptrap and then get bothered when it is called such?

Nice non sequitur by the way. Almost got that one by me - almost!

i think vanity is at the root of this fray, and most of you evil vain posters should pray the sin of your heart be forgiven you.

We are evil? I think purveyors of gibberish might be more deserving of your zeal.

i promise i may be stupid at times, but i will never be mean to my brother. i might be right, but i will not poke it at you, nor will i take shots at you when you are wrong. any Christian that might happen along would do the same i'm sure. i prophecy that this kind of division will be at the root of Gods wrath when it is poured out on men. Please do the Christian thing and stop before its too late

Do you honour hubris?

 

[Biblewriter]

As i read the responses in this thread and others in this forum one thing strikes me more than any other. Where is the Christian love. Don't tell me your tired of dealing with fools and have grown short, because thats just a cop out. if your tired of being Christian, and loving your brother then you were never really a Christian anyway. which disqualifies you from commenting on prophecy. i think vanity is at the root of this fray, and most of you evil vain posters should pray the sin of your heart be forgiven you. i promise i may be stupid at times, but i will never be mean to my brother. i might be right, but i will not poke it at you, nor will i take shots at you when you are wrong. any Christian that might happen along would do the same i'm sure. i prophecy that this kind of division will be at the root of Gods wrath when it is poured out on men. Please do the Christian thing and stop before its too late

Thank you.

 

[KerrMetric]

I guess we should all start posting error filled nonsense that a 12 year old could write. After all it seems content and hubris don't matter but new Age touchy feely Christianity and accept anything is in.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

I guess we should all start posting error filled nonsense that a 12 year old could write. After all it seems content and hubris don't matter but new Age touchy feely Christianity and accept anything is in.

YES...we really have to keep our guard up against "new" doctrine and test everything or we could be misled.

It is right to question and demand facts and evidence as well as dismiss theories that are flawed.

We aren't really going to understand everything until God allows...all we can do is discuss it and compare what we understand now to the Word.

The Bible and the Spirit are our guide, yes?

 

[GrandGuignol]

I guess we should all start posting error filled nonsense that a 12 year old could write. After all it seems content and hubris don't matter but new Age touchy feely Christianity and accept anything is in.

I never said post anything. all i said is why we can't be kind and loving Christians like Jesus wants us to be. Ignorance is something we all suffer from now, and then. How would you want to be treated in your time of ignorance. Hearts are won though kind, and patent instruction, not through mocking, hateful sarcasms, and boasting on your own superior enlightenment.

 

[KerrMetric]

I never said post anything. all i said is why we can't be kind and loving Christians like Jesus wants us to be. Ignorance is something we all suffer from now, and then. How would you want to be treated in your time of ignorance. Hearts are won though kind, and patent instruction, not through mocking, hateful sarcasms, and boasting on your own superior enlightenment.

Go back and see what the OP typed. then see how he responded when his basic arithmetic was shown to be faulty.

Did he admit error? NO
Did he correct it? NO
Did he instead post irrelevancies to distract? YES
Did he still maintain he was in a sense right even though he tried to blow off the errors? YES

Sorry - but I've no time for this horsecrap and the pushers of it.

 

[MattHenry]

I guess we should all start posting error filled nonsense that a 12 year old could write. After all it seems content and hubris don't matter but new Age touchy feely Christianity and accept anything is in.

I'll leave the "new age" to the modern bible versions and the Westcott and Hort Greek text.
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/new_age_bible_versions.htm
And the "touchy feely" to the electric rock-n-roll church that uses them.

But through the fog of your animus you seem to have failed to recognize that we have some problems even with our historical dating AD. Most posters in this forum (obviously excluding you) understand Daniel's 69 weeks to be weeks of days as years. These folks are walking in the same kind of what you characterize as error in this thread that regards "times". From the decree to rebuild Rome....hmmm well maybe 444 BC maybe 445 BC .... maybe outside of those dates. Jesus crucified. Hmmm... maybe 30, maybe 31, maybe 32 AD, maybe 33 AD, maybe even outside of those dates. And this is an AD date.

Through your methodology you have put youself in the position of rebuking your bretheren in here, and almost the unanimity of the church, regarding 69 of Daniel's 70 weeks, and the beauty of their mathematical perfection, in spite of MAN'S deficiencies in dating historical record.

And that problem only spans 483 years. These "time" problems span 2500 years in perfect parallel, with an absolute date certain on the 1967 and 1948 ends, and a level of ambiguity on the other end approximately comparable to our deficiency in dating the Cross in AD (perhaps an even narrower range).

Again, the guys on this link calculate the probabilities of just one (the shortest one) of the half dozen problems I have posted in here, coming even close to being correct: [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]CRITIC’S DEN[/FONT]

At the same time you find it "irrelevant" that the 3-1/2 year understanding held by most that are posting in this thread, doesn't come close to fitting Daniel's prophecy by comparison, even though it could hardly be characterized as a "long time" in prophecy, and because it certainly doesn't measure the duration of the "scattering of the strength" of the holy people, and it can't even pass the laugh test for measuring the domain of the successive kingdoms that spanned hundreds of years, that are the subject of the prophecy.

 

[GrandGuignol]

accusations against others is a weak defense for our lack of good Christian ethics. if we learn anything from those who have come before, it should be not to think too highly of our own righteousness. my knowledge is nothing, only The Father knows. my interpretation is flawed, only The Lord can prophecy. i am a liar, and Jesus is the only truth. How can i then Judge my brother without judging myself also. I am wrong: Please Lord have mercy on me. i will go this day, and have mercy on my brother when he is wrong.

Mat 18:27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
Mat 18:28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellow servants, which owed him a hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
Mat 18:29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
Mat 18:30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
Mat 18:31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellow servant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.