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I did use Scripture. You decided to use human theology to declare Scripture in error.It seems that this conclusion begins with the strong belief others are "wrong" so the simple math (and revelations from Scripture) are rejected and dismissed.
Yes....God declared it (through His messenger Gabriel to Daniel, Zechariah, and Mary). So why reject the details that are given to us?
I did not cut it off. Gabriel cut it off.No one (but you) has said anything about "fixing " it. But I'm curious why you're cutting off the last 7 years? The total time given was 7 x 70 = 490 years. You're actually cutting off the whole ministry of Jesus by not including the last seven years. 69 weeks only brings the timeline to 26/27 AD. Why stop there?
From Bible Hub:
THERE IS ROOM FOR ANOTHER KING BESIDES THE EARTHLY RULER. Herod was still reigning, and yet the Christ came to set up his kingdom. The sovereign at Jerusalem naturally suspected the new-born King to be a rival to his throne. Most of the Jews would have shared his opinion if they had believed in Jesus, though they would have regarded the situation with very different feelings. But Christ did not come to sit on the throne of Herod, and we cannot think of him simply as the rightful Heir who will expel the insolent usurper. His kingdom is not of this world. Earthly monarchs rise and fall, and still he reigns. His is the kingdom of heaven set up on earth. There is a reign of life which they that hold the sword of external government cannot hinder. They cannot restrain its glorious liberty, nor can they reform its evils. The world wants a King who can rule in the realm of ideas, who can sway hearts, who can conquer sin. Therefore the apostles were commissioned to make known "another King, one Jesus" (Acts 17:7).
No it does not. Messiah was still cut off, after the 7 weeks and the 62 weeks. History and God's Word worked out just as God planned and sent Gabriel to declare..This statement is denial that Jesus of Nazareth was ancient biblical Israel's Messiah.
Again.....are you certain that's the argument you want to stand on and attempt to defend?
With Ezra and Nehemiah.But it says that the 483 years were going to lead to the appearing of the Messiah. So, how do you reconcile that with your view that the first 483 years (69 weeks) were over already at least 20 years before Jesus was even born?
How do you interpret this verse:
Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
I asked you how you interpret Daniel 9:25 and this is your response? What do you mean? Can you try to be a bit more specific? Why do you interpret the verse in such a way that you have the first 483 years (69 weeks) not leading up to the appearing of the Messiah?With Ezra and Nehemiah.
It led up to the time of these people. More than likely the only two people still interested in Daniel 9:I asked you how you interpret Daniel 9:25 and this is your response? What do you mean? Can you try to be a bit more specific? Why do you interpret the verse in such a way that you have the first 483 years (69 weeks) not leading up to the appearing of the Messiah?
It seems you're not understanding the term "cut off".I did not cut it off. Gabriel cut it off.
Gabriel claimed Messiah would be cut off.
The 3 ½ years remaining occurs within a believer starting with the time when they are Called Out from the world. This happens when the Early Rain of the Spirit falls upon them as an unbeliever. It ends when the Latter Rain falls upon them as a Fallen Away Man of Sin under Satan influence. It is at this point that the person is “born again”. Then the process of judgment begins (1290 days) upon their Old Man and ends (1335 days) when the Old Man is destroyed and the New Man in Christ is spiritually mature and producing spiritual fruit.
My point wasn't whether or not you used Scripture. I was asserting that, because it seems you're beginning with the bias that others that disagree with you on other points can't be correct about basic math.....so reject even that much.I did use Scripture. You decided to use human theology to declare Scripture in error.
And that the little horn will confirm the covenant for 7 years.
Jesus is not still on earth. He had to leave so the church could go to the Gentiles. Thank God Jesus Christ was cut off, or you would not exist.It seems you're not understanding the term "cut off".
Quoting Benson commentary:
Their chronology is so well ascertained as to make the computation of Daniel’s weeks mathematically exact. For sixty-two weeks, or four hundred and thirty-four years, added to seven weeks, or forty-nine years, are equal to four hundred and eighty- three years. After which period, or in the last one week, containing seven years, the Messiah should be cut off. The title of MESSIAH is, by way of eminence, peculiar to Christ. It was first used in this prophecy in that appropriate sense. No other application of this title ever obtained among the ancient Jews. Nor can it, without absurdity, be applied to any civil or ecclesiastical prince, much less to a succession in the high-priesthood. It is here used personally, proper to some one anointed; and to whom it is proper is decided by that emphatic circumstance, Messiah shall be CUT OFF, an expression used in Scripture to denote a judicial sentence and a violent death; BUT NOT FOR HIMSELF — Isaiah gives an exact comment on both these expressions, Isaiah 53:8. HE WAS CUT OFF out of the land of the living; FOR THE TRANSGRESSION OF MY PEOPLE was he stricken.” — Dr. Apthorp.
Daniel 9:26 Commentaries: "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.
Is is God doing the time keeping. No math necessary.My point wasn't whether or not you used Scripture. I was asserting that, because it seems you're beginning with the bias that others that disagree with you on other points can't be correct about basic math.....so reject even that much.
Math has nothing to do with religion (in other words - it's unchanged by religion). It's straight forward and unbiased. Whether I'm Muslim, Hindi, Atheist or Christian or whatever..........-457 + 490 is still going to = the same number.
He did it in chapter 11.Here is a question or two that may or may not pertain to this thread.
Daniel 10:14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.
Where in chapter 10 did this angel ever get around to doing this, making Daniel understand what shall befall his people in the latter days? If he didn't do it in chapter 10, what chapter or chapters did he do it in, and would any of that also be involving anything in chapter 9?
Here is a question or two that may or may not pertain to this thread.
Daniel 10:14 Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.
Where in chapter 10 did this angel ever get around to doing this, making Daniel understand what shall befall his people in the latter days? If he didn't do it in chapter 10, what chapter or chapters did he do it in, and would any of that also be involving anything in chapter 9?
......and continues in chapter 12, too, correct? To pinpoint timing - this verse reveals a great deal:He did it in chapter 11.
......and continues in chapter 12, too, correct? To pinpoint timing - this verse reveals a great deal:
Daniel 12:7
And the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by Him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, and times, and half a time. When the power of the holy people has finally been shattered, all these things will be completed.”
Did Daniel stand in his lot in 70AD ?......and continues in chapter 12, too, correct? To pinpoint timing - this verse reveals a great deal:
Daniel 12:7
And the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by Him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, and times, and half a time. When the power of the holy people has finally been shattered, all these things will be completed.”
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