Daniel 9:

[DanJudge]

Hi Gwyn


Sorry Gwyn but the whole argument that that decree was for the Temple and not the city is nonsense. Ezra list all the people going what they did not build homes for themselves and open shops and build the city ......................of course they did.

That whole argument is grabbing at straws. We even have proof they were building the city.

Ezra:4:12: Be it known unto the king, that the Jews which came up from thee to us are come unto Jerusalem, building the rebellious and the bad city, and have set up the walls thereof, and joined the foundations.

So as we can plainly see they were in fact building the city too. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to send make a decree to build the temple without including the city.

Re read Ezra 9:9 it is about the Temple and the City.

9: For we were bondmen; yet our God hath not forsaken us in our bondage, but hath extended mercy unto us in the sight of the kings of Persia, to give us a reviving, to set up the house of our God, and to repair the desolations thereof, and to give us a wall in Judah and in Jerusalem.

As we can clearly see they are very happy that they will be allowed TO BUILD A WALL.

Now look at Daniel 9:

[25] Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with street and walls, but in a troubled time.

Nememiah is not a command TO START building it is a command to allow the building to continue

As I have shown in Ezra the local Governor had stopped the building they were harassing the Jews that had returned. Nememiah gets a letter from the king............. not a decree.................. and the letter says let the Jews continue to build the city.


The prophecy is not about Jesus ............Jerome altered the text of this prophecy to make it appear it was about the Messiah cause that was his theory it was never about Jesus.

Jerome did three things

1. he changed the text to Messiah instead of anointed one.

2. He changed the phrasing to make it look like you add the first 7 with the 62 sevens YOU DO NOT in the Hebrew original it is very clear these are two distinct time frames.

3.He changed the Text to say is cut off but not for himself ..............It does not say that either it says
shall be cut off AND HAVE NOTHING...........

Jesus never had nothing. Jerome made these changes to make the text fit his new theory that this was about Jesus it is not never was about messiah.

God anointed Joshua first Priest King of the new Judea that line of Priest kings lasted EXACTLY the amount of time specified by the prophecy. When it was done the line of priest Kings had nothing they were cut off.


You have to understand why Jeremiah was 70 years and why Daniel is 490 years to understand this.

So I ask you the same Question as Winslow do you know why it was 70 years and why it was 490 years.

ALL of Daniel Chapter 9 has been Fulfilled!
The Last Week of Daniel’s 70th week --- 66 - 73 is fulfilled.


Brothers/Sisters, ---Just, Bible, Bible, and More Bible. This is More Proof from the "Little Book" of Revelation chapter 10. Think on these things.
Come Let Us Reason Together.

Why do christians think this prophecy applies to Jesus?. Messiah means Anointed One, it can refer to anyone, did you know that Cyrus king of Persia(a Gentile) is called anointed (Isaiah 45:1). All christians get taught that Daniel 9:24-27 refers to Christ, it has nothing to do with Christ.

Must people like to know the truth, and walk in it, and share it with others. John said that God has no greater joy in that we walk in the Truth.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince(Nehemiah) shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself (the assassination of Vitellius in 69): and the people of the prince (the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple in 70 by Titus and the final crushing of the Jews with the fall of Masada in 73) that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel 9:27 And he(Titus)shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (the last week of Daniels 70th Week): and in the midst of the week he (Titus with the Roman Army) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, (the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple in 70 byTitus and the final crushingof the Jews with the fall of Masada in 73)and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

H4899
משׁיח
mâshîyach
maw-shee'-akh
From H4886; anointed; usually a consecrated person (as a king, priest, or saint); specifically the Messiah: - anointed, Messiah.

Why did the translators capitalized the word Messiah in Daniel 9:25 and 9:26, because they wanted it to apply to Christ, they forced that interpretation, it has nothing to do with Christ. Question, why didn’t the LORD quote from Daniel to refer to himself or the apostles quote from Daniel chapter 9, to refer to the LORD ?.

Isaiah 45:1 Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

Isaiah 45:2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

Isaiah 45:3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

—Barry I. Hyman
CHRISTIAN REVOLUTIONARY BROTHERHOOD

Peace be with You All
Dan Judge

 

[NumberOneSon]

For once Dan, I think I actually agree with you.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

 

[gwynedd1]

For once Dan, I think I actually agree with you.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

I almost agree with both of you. If you notice the desolations do not happen within the 70 weeks. I merely need to happen after.

This appears to be what happens within it. I believe Christ was during the last week.

24: "Seventy weeks of years are decreed concerning your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.

 

[gwynedd1]

ALL of Daniel Chapter 9 has been Fulfilled!
The Last Week of Daniel’s 70th week --- 66 - 73 is fulfilled.


Brothers/Sisters, ---Just, Bible, Bible, and More Bible. This is More Proof from the "Little Book" of Revelation chapter 10. Think on these things.
Come Let Us Reason Together.

I love to reason together!

Why do christians think this prophecy applies to Jesus?. Messiah means Anointed One, it can refer to anyone, did you know that Cyrus king of Persia(a Gentile) is called anointed (Isaiah 45:1). All christians get taught that Daniel 9:24-27 refers to Christ, it has nothing to do with Christ.

Christ was anointed king of Israel...?

Acts 1
8: But of the Son he says, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom.
9: Thou hast loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; therefore God, thy God, has anointed thee with the oil of gladness beyond thy comrades."

Must people like to know the truth, and walk in it, and share it with others. John said that God has no greater joy in that we walk in the Truth.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince(Nehemiah) shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself (the assassination of Vitellius in 69): and the people of the prince (the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple in 70 by Titus and the final crushing of the Jews with the fall of Masada in 73) that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel 9:27 And he(Titus)shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (the last week of Daniels 70th Week): and in the midst of the week he (Titus with the Roman Army) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, (the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple in 70 byTitus and the final crushingof the Jews with the fall of Masada in 73)and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

H4899
משׁיח
mâshîyach
maw-shee'-akh
From H4886; anointed; usually a consecrated person (as a king, priest, or saint); specifically the Messiah: - anointed, Messiah.

Why did the translators capitalized the word Messiah in Daniel 9:25 and 9:26, because they wanted it to apply to Christ, they forced that interpretation, it has nothing to do with Christ. Question, why didn’t the LORD quote from Daniel to refer to himself or the apostles quote from Daniel chapter 9, to refer to the LORD ?.

Oh no doubt that the translation was forced. That does not make it wrong.
Who made a strong covenant? Who ended the transgression, sin and anointed a holy place? Who made the sacrifice of animal obsolete?Who was the anointed one? At the time of the end who let people out of their tombs as in Daniel 12?



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Isaiah 45:1 Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

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Isaiah 45:2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

Isaiah 45:3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.

—Barry I. Hyman
CHRISTIAN REVOLUTIONARY BROTHERHOOD

Peace be with You All
Dan Judge[/quote]

Peace to you. too brother!