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Damned children?

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I read somewhere that children are damned to hell if they die either too young to accept Christ, or don't know any better. I've searched my Bible for this issue, and asked around for scripture to back it up, but found nothing. So my question is, why do people think/say that? I cried when I read this. The last thing I want to think of is my 3 and 1 year olds being damned if they die too young to accept Christ!!:cry:
 

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I do not believe that. I have always been told that until the age of accountably, if a child dies he or she will go to heaven. I have no idea what this age is, I think it depends on the child. If your children were to die, I honestly believes that they would go to heaven. Jesus loves children and would never turn any little child away:hug:
 
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I agree with the age of accountability....I think it is different for all children, but my belief is that until a child can make an "informed" (for lack of a better word) decision about his/her actions and whether or not they are Christian-like, as well as accepting or turning away from Jesus....then they haven't reached that age of accountability yet.

Like my 2 year old....she knows about Jesus but does she do bad stuff? Well....yeah! That's part of the job for a 2 year old! hehe But I don't believe that she's held accountable for it....well, by Jesus, anyways....that task falls to mommy & daddy! hehe
 
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Genes!s said:
I read somewhere that children are damned to hell if they die either too young to accept Christ, or don't know any better. I've searched my Bible for this issue, and asked around for scripture to back it up, but found nothing. So my question is, why do people think/say that? I cried when I read this. The last thing I want to think of is my 3 and 1 year olds being damned if they die too young to accept Christ!!:cry:

What a horrifying thought! I don't know where you read that, but I totally disagree. I too have only been taught about the age of accountability. You have to understand the whole concept before you can accept or reject it. I believe this not only applies to children but many who are mentally ill or retarded. Children die all the time sadly, many at birth, and I can't imagine someone suggesting to you they'd go to hell. How very very sad!
 
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We regard children as innocent. But the fact is, if they dont except Jesus, no matter what age, they will go to hell. But how can a one year old boy except Jesus? Well, Jesus tought us to have faith as a child. So maby they all believe in Him, until they reach a certain age? that is where the thought about age of accountability came from.
But we cannot say for sure that a little child will go to heaven or hell for sure, it is a choice that child has to take. How that takes place is another question..
God bless!
 
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I don't believe in an age of accountablilty or in accepting Jesus so my answer is different.

A child can have faith in Jesus. Through baptism, the Holy Spirit plants faith into the heart of a child. At that point the child is a member of God's family. If the faith is nutured it will grow into a strong mature faith. If not, the child could fall away from God. However, if the child were to die at a young age and was baptized into God's family, the child would go to Heaven. Regardless, God is a God of mercy. Even if a child would die and not be baptized, I think the child would go to Heaven.
My daughter is 3 and she does things that she knows are wrong purposefully. She is a sinner but a forgiven one because she was born into God's family at her baptism.
 
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Zoomer said:
don't believe in an age of accountablilty or in accepting Jesus so my answer is different.

A child can have faith in Jesus. Through baptism, the Holy Spirit plants faith into the heart of a child. At that point the child is a member of God's family. If the faith is nutured it will grow into a strong mature faith. If not, the child could fall away from God. However, if the child were to die at a young age and was baptized into God's family, the child would go to Heaven. Regardless, God is a God of mercy. Even if a child would die and not be baptized, I think the child would go to Heaven.
My daughter is 3 and she does things that she knows are wrong purposefully. She is a sinner but a forgiven one because she was born into God's family at her baptism.
So those who are born in the Jungle, and not having any chance of being baptised are doomed?
 
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So those who are born in the Jungle, and not having any chance of being baptised are doomed?

The same can be said about the adults in the jungle, are they saved if they haven't heard of Jesus?
I do not believe in the age of accountablility as we are all sinners (and saints at the same time). There is no magic age where sins can be counted against a person. As for accepting Jesus. We cannot as sinful humans make a choice to accept Jesus. The Holy Spirit works in us through baptism or by hearing the Word. If those in the jungle are not baptized or have not heard the word, then they cannot know Jesus. Can they be saved because they did not have the opportunity to know Jesus? That I do not know.
 
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I have always believed in an age of accountabilty. Children are covered by Jesus blood until they reach an age that Jesus calles them to make a decision for Him. If they make that choice, I believe they can go from the age of innocence directly into salvation. If they choose to not respond to God's calling, then they are no longer saved. But until a child is old enough to make a conscience decision he is still under the grace of God.

But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdon of heaven. Matthew 19:14

And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Whoseever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
And whoso shall recieve on such little child in my name recieveth me.
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me ..... Matthew 18:3-6

To me these verses show that little children are pure in God's sight.
 
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[size=+2]by A. T. Overstreet [/size]

[size=+1]Appendix B[/size]

[size=+1]The "Age of Accountability"[/size]

The term "age of accountability" is not used in the Bible. Nevertheless, the doctrine of an age or a time when men become accountable for their actions is clearly taught in the Bible. What is meant by this term is that children cannot be accountable for their actions until they have a knowledge of good and evil, until they know to refuse the evil and choose the good. We know that children are not sinners at birth; for if they were, there could be no such thing as an "age of accountability." If babies are guilty and condemned for the sin of Adam from birth, then there is no room for them to reach a certain age before they become accountable. They are guilty and under God's wrath from birth. However, the Bible teaches that babies do not inherit sin and guilt from Adam. "For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil..." Rom. 9:11. Jacob and Esau had no original sin; they did not sin with Adam when he transgressed. We know this because they were not sinners while in the womb of their mother, Rebecca. Since the Bible says they had done nothing good or evil up to this time, we must assume that they became moral agents at some later time, after they were born. There are numerous verses like this in the Bible which show the doctrine of original sin to be false, and which also teach, either directly or indirectly, the doctrine of an "age of accountability." Let us look at some of them:

Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it. Deut. 1:39

For before the children shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings. Isaiah 7:16

I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth. Gen. 8:21

Deut. 1:39 speaks of the "little ones" and the "children" who "in that day had no knowledge between good and evil." Isaiah 7:16 speaks of a child coming to an age when he knows to "refuse the evil, and choose the good." Both of these texts speak of children coming to a time in their lives when they have a knowledge of the moral character of their actions and know there is evil which they ought to refuse and good which they ought to choose. Neither of these verses gives a certain age at which moral agency begins. This is because there is no fixed age at which children become accountable, since reason will develop earlier in one child than another according to his gifts and circumstances. But when a child's reason has developed to the point that he knows to "refuse the evil and choose the good," he becomes a moral agent and is accountable for his deeds.

This possession of moral knowledge or understanding is absolutely necessary before there can be accountability. A child must know the moral character of his actions before he can be responsible for them.

Some advocates of original sin have objected that the government of God would be unjust if children were made accountable for their actions at a tender age when they would not be able easily to withstand temptation. They have used this objection as an excuse for maintaining the doctrine of original sin. This kind of logic is absurd. For, according to the doctrine of original sin, children are guilty and under the wrath of God from birth, without any probation. It is hard to understand how the advocates of original sin can swallow whole the injustice of being born in a state of guilt and condemnation, and yet quibble over the supposed injustice of becoming accountable at a tender age. This amounts to swallowing a camel and straining at a gnat.

With God, there can be no such thing as a "tender age" in the sense of an unjust age at which children become responsible. God alone knows and is the judge of when a child reaches the "age of accountability." He alone knows the thoughts and the intentions of the heart. And, knowing that God is just, we know that God will not work unrighteousness in this respect. "Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?" Gen. 18:25. Those who make this objection seem to feel that God cannot be trusted with what is unknown to us. But he can be trusted. God is just in all his judgments. The accountability or non-accountability of every child is perfectly known to God. He "searches the reins and hearts" of all men. He discerns the thoughts and intents of the heart." He will bring to light the "hidden things of darkness" and judge the "secrets of men" in truth and righteousness.

The advocates of original sin need not fear that God will unjustly make children accountable at too early an age. He can be trusted to judge righteously with the hidden things of the heart. Truth, justice, and equity are the foundations of his throne. I Cor. 4:5, Rev. 2:23, Heb. 4:12-13, Eccl. 12:14, Rom. 2:15-16.

 
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sara elizabeth said:
I have always believed in an age of accountabilty. Children are covered by Jesus blood until they reach an age that Jesus calles them to make a decision for Him. If they make that choice, I believe they can go from the age of innocence directly into salvation. If they choose to not respond to God's calling, then they are no longer saved. But until a child is old enough to make a conscience decision he is still under the grace of God.

But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdon of heaven. Matthew 19:14

And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Whoseever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
And whoso shall recieve on such little child in my name recieveth me.
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me ..... Matthew 18:3-6

To me these verses show that little children are pure in God's sight.
:amen: I agree completely with Sara Elizabeth. Although they are born into this world sinners. How can they repent of sins if they can't yet understand them. That's why it's our jobs as parents to start teaching them about our Father, Jesus, sins, and repentence so they will be prepared when they do feel and recognize the Holy Spirit working within them.
 
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I also agree with Sara Elizabeth. Even if there is no such number (age) of accountability, there is certainly a point at which children understand the difference between right and wrong and they begin to choose which they will do. So, personally I believe that until a child reaches the age where they truly know the difference between good and evil, they are not held accountable and thus...enter into Heaven.
 
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Genes!s said:
I read somewhere that children are damned to hell if they die either too young to accept Christ, or don't know any better. I've searched my Bible for this issue, and asked around for scripture to back it up, but found nothing. So my question is, why do people think/say that? I cried when I read this. The last thing I want to think of is my 3 and 1 year olds being damned if they die too young to accept Christ!!:cry:

I don't think anyone wants to think of children in hell. But personally, I don't believe there ARE children in hell, I don't think souls have 'age'. What passes on is the soul, there are no babies crawling around in hell, neither are they crawling around in heaven, in my opinion. That, to me, is a start to put this question into a better perspective.

I don't have a real answer, but I suspect, in my opinion, that children are still judged....ALL are judged. How the standard is set is open for discussion or debate, is it an age, is it a profession of faith......someone once suggested that God knows what choice people would make had they had all the time in the world to make it, so if by someone elses freewill God allows someone to murder a child, God knows what that child would have chosen (Jesus or not) if the child had lived to be 93. I am not sure how that plays into others who are 'taken' before their time so to speak....the man gunned down in the street, the aborted baby, etc etc....

I don't know.......one thing I DO know, Gods ways are perfect. :)
 
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I believe that the dogma (or faith tradition) of "age of accountiblity" is being misunderstood and completely misused here. In the OT it talks about a coming of age in regaurds to acceptance of legal responsiblity (like citizenship and paying taxes). In the NT it talks about both young and old coming to God. In fact many of the parables in Jesus' teaching are about CHILDREN.

I agree with Cello on the point that souls don't have age. If we believe our souls are eternal (without end) then the generation point shouldn't matter (and doesn't matter to God). If anything were to be used to show how old someone was when they passed into glory it would be the refinement of their soul. The Bible is very clear that we are born into sin. But it also makes it clear that we are all judged according to our hearts. To me the fact that God looks into our souls and judges us against what we knew is the important part to remember. I also like the idea that God is able to know who we would have been and judges us accordingly. No one wants to think that anyone we like is in Hell. But those decisions are for God alone, and dwelling on them comes very close to idolitry. The best we can do is pray that Jesus will interceed as he promises to do for his beloved.
 
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I also agree with Sara Elizabeth. Even if there is no such number (age) of accountability, there is certainly a point at which children understand the difference between right and wrong and they begin to choose which they will do. So, personally I believe that until a child reaches the age where they truly know the difference between good and evil, they are not held accountable and thus...enter into Heaven.

I agree with everything you said and what Sara Elizabeth said.
 
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mamaneenie said:
I do not believe that children go to hell. I believe that there is an age of accountability (can't remember where I read it, but I think it is 12 or 13)

Children who are aborted, or miscarried or stillborn go to heaven, as do children who are under 12/13.
My brother is 8, and he is fully aware that he has excepted Christ! if we are going to use the age of accountability, we can certainly not set a specipic age as the limit!
But I agree with Martin Calvin and Cello. Children as adoults, we are all sinners, and will all be judged in the same matter!
God bless!
 
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I didn't want this to turn into a debate, and I think some have misunderstood. I am fully aware of what souls are and all of that, my question was regarding children, innocence, and accountablility.

I was also taught about the 'age of accountability' and always took that to mean accountability came when children matured enough to understand their faith. I am still wanting someone who believes children can go to hell, to provide me with scripture. And I appreciate the scripture provided for the other side.

And I apologize for this, but I was a bit offended by some people being so 'matter of fact' regarding this topic. Maybe I'm too sensitive, but when I am discussing my children especially, I don't appreciate people treating the subject like just another discussion. I guess I would prefer some compassion. Sorry if this offends. :sorry:
 
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My mother had 2 sisters who died in a car accident when they were very young. The preacher at my grandparent's church told them they were going to hell because they weren't baptized. My grandmother felt guilty all her life because of it. I think it was cruel. My boys are 2 and 4 and are not baptized. We have decided that they need to make the decision as to when to receive Christ. I don't believe they will go to Hell if they die young. Baptism is not a free ride to Heaven anyway.
 
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bshaw96 said:
What a horrifying thought! I don't know where you read that, but I totally disagree. I too have only been taught about the age of accountability. You have to understand the whole concept before you can accept or reject it. I believe this not only applies to children but many who are mentally ill or retarded. Children die all the time sadly, many at birth, and I can't imagine someone suggesting to you they'd go to hell. How very very sad!
You know, I never thought about mentally handicap people being judged. I think some things aren't meant to be understood, maybe this is one of them. Maybe it's so obvious, we'll have a DUH moment when we find out. Things like these baffle my mind. It's like trying to think of eternity, I don't think it's possible.
 
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