Dakes Reference Bible, Any views?

[queenm04]

Have been close with my bible for a considerable time. Still is! But I am astonished on his views on some issues, e.g. The Sabbath, any thoughts?

 

[queenm04]

I do respect him. He must have put on a lot of effort in putting together a big compilation like that. Immense research has been done. I love that commitment! And tell you what? I like him. He is a man of God. I wonder how does he look like though? And I have decided that he is a person, he has his strong beliefs. And surely as people we most at times hold different opinions on various issues.

 

[RVincent]

I heard that Dake took much of his material from Dr. Bullinger's Companion Bible. That's what I heard...I can't say if it's true.

 

[daveleau]

I like my Dake and it was the first Study Bible that I had. I tend to use 3 Bibles, the NIV Study Bible, my Dake and a Parallel NIV/KJV. I do not agree with Dake on a lot of stuff. He takes a lot of leaps and he has poor exegesis on several issues I have read. For instance, he refers to Jer 4:8 as a link to Gen 1:1/1:2 in regards to being evidence for the Gap Theory. While I believe there may be some merit to this theory, I know that this verse in no way supports this theory. The context tells us so, very clearly. He does have interesting historical notes. I'd rather have a New Scoffield, but I'm not going to spend another $70-80 for one to replace my Dake.

Also, my Dake was my late father's Bible...so...a bit of sentimentality is there as well.

 

[queenm04]

I like my Dake and it was the first Study Bible that I had. I tend to use 3 Bibles, the NIV Study Bible, my Dake and a Parallel NIV/KJV. I do not agree with Dake on a lot of stuff. He takes a lot of leaps and he has poor exegesis on several issues I have read. For instance, he refers to Jer 4:8 as a link to Gen 1:1/1:2 in regards to being evidence for the Gap Theory. While I believe there may be some merit to this theory, I know that this verse in no way supports this theory. The context tells us so, very clearly. He does have interesting historical notes. I'd rather have a New Scoffield, but I'm not going to spend another $70-80 for one to replace my Dake.

Also, my Dake was my late father's Bible...so...a bit of sentimentality is there as well.

Think I should go for some shopping for a new study bible – Only have Dake’s. (sorry for the loss of your father)



My father has also always used the Dake for as far as I remember. And the other massive KJV with commentary, don’t remember the name. But I did not like these one. I ultimately also bought the Dakes. I guess these study bibles were written according to one’s doctrinal beliefs. And when you buy you will also buy according to what you believe in, and man…… I am a blend of different beliefs. Meaning I either have to buy two or three more. unless if there is one objective study bible. Do you think there is such?

 

[daveleau]

Queenm04,
You and I are very like-minded, it seems. The Dake was done by one person as far as I can tell. It is a very impressive work fro one person, but I like to have multiple sources as well.
God bless,
Dave

 

[TheScottsMen]

Dakes was also my first study Bible and I use it along with others during my personal Bible studies. Dakes did indeed get a lot of his notes from the Bullinger Study Bible but also added many of his own as Bullinger was a strict Acts 28 dispensationalist while Dakes believed the dispensation of grace started an Acts 2. I, like many of the above disagree with Dakes on many topics, but his notes are great for anyone looking for an indepth study on just about every Biblical doctrine (even if you don't agree with Dakes views).

Also, his textbook and audio CD's for, "Gods Plan for Man", is a great resource.

 

[PreacherFergy]

Dake's study Bible has some major doctrinal problems. If you want a study Bible, perhaps a Scofield, Thomas Nelson, Ryrie, or some others of reputable and correct theological teachings. For just a little dab or the reasons why to AVOID this study Bible, consider the following:

The fact is clearly seen that Mr. Dake put much work into this reference tool. However, there are severe problems with the theology contained in this work. For instance, heresies abound concerning subjects such as the nature and attributes of God, Soteriology, and Christology—just to name a few. Furthermore, many Word-Faith teachers, such as Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland, have verifiably used Dake as a source of their quizzical doctrines. The scope of this paper, however, is not a complete, systematic analysis of the Dake Annotated Reference Bible, but an analysis of what it says about Jesus.

It must be stated that Finis Jennings Dake and those who follow his teaching are not yet considered a cult. However, much of the teaching in Dake’s Bible is considered cultic because it falls far outside the walls of orthodox Christianity. To be sure, there are many heretical claims concerning Jesus found in this study Bible. And with about 30,000 Dake Bibles being sold each year, this is a subject that needs to be addressed. This exploration of Dake’s teaching on Jesus will be subsumed under two broad topics: Dake and the Trinity, which will exegete Dake’s teaching about the very nature of Jesus before He was Incarnated into a body of flesh, and Dake and the Incarnation, which will present Dake’s teaching about the Incarnation of the Second Person of the Trinity.

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/d46.html

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

 

[queenm04]

Hi all!


Thanks for sharing!


Thescottsmen,

Am still doing a study on dispensations with the Dakes. Will check out what other views are there. Coz what I usually do is I look up from Dake’s first, he is my major reference. Although as I have indicated, I differ with him on some issues.

What other study bible are you using?


Hi Preacherfergy,

I have a Pentecostal / charismatic background. It is easy for me to understand something from this perspective, and then can analyse, and differ or agree. I saw the link. But I think labelling his works as cultic? I don’t know about that, I think they are going aaa…..little bit overboard….

 

[queenm04]

Am excited, am adding to my collection today, the Hebrew-Greek-English interlinear, Strong’s concordance and ‘The Scriptures’. (A S.A version of the English bible, that uses some Hebrew names. E.g God will be Yahweh, Jesus will be Yeshua, Law will be Torah, etc Translated in S.A . Oh I cant wait to put my hands on them. I cover my study resources in the blood of Jesus Christ of Nazareth as am going to receive them. Thank you Lord for giving me all these!



Is’nt this a cool quote?

[Quote]"You can have the best Greek interlinear Bible in the world but if you don’t put the New Testament into its first century Hebrew context you cannot arrive at its correct understanding"[/Quote]

 

[queenm04]

Hi guys,

Have also put this as a thread in the General Theology forum.
Am really very disturbed by these! A friend I have just met not long ago told me that Dake’s (Author of Finnis Dake’s annotated reference bible) was racist. Apparently in his publishing company. (Dake’s) they are trying to ‘tone down’ the statements he said under "30 reasons for segregation of races."in page 159 of the New Testament. Since he died in 1987. South Africa is a racially sensitive country. Having seen what the apartheid system has done to this country I cannot believe that Dake can be one of the people that can perpetuate such!!! Have used the Dake Bible for sometime now. My father has used it from long ago. Does any one have those 30 reasons from the earlier versions? And any views on these. This is so injuring to the spirit man!

 

[queenm04]

I asked my dad to read me some of the statements over the phone just now because he has an earlier version. He says one of the statements goes,

‘Different races in heaven will not pray together’

Did not hear the other one very well that says ‘separation of races, especially black races, bla bla, bla, my father said it is for the first time he saw those statements. He says they are so alarming.



LOL…. I laughed so much when my mom said "its like you can go where you bought it and say bring back my money. this man thinks he is all that, you say when did he die? he thinks that he is the only one who will go to heaven and celebrate with Jesus" I think this has upset my parents. I just told them that G-d has shielded us from seeing this so that we can learn the truths we did learn from his other thesis I feel like weeding it out of my collection for some time…LOL…

 

[daveleau]

On pg 159, mine does have this list. I have never read it and while I had heard there were racist issues with Dake, I had not come across any in my studies. As I mentioned earlier to you, I tend to stay away from Dake's lists because they are mostly figments of his imagination. I do enjoy the historical notes on Scripture, though. This find is disappointing. I will not throw the book completely aside because it was a gift of my late father, but I will use my other study Bibles more often.

God bless,
Dave

 

[queenm04]

On pg 159, mine does have this list. I have never read it and while I had heard there were racist issues with Dake, I had not come across any in my studies. As I mentioned earlier to you, I tend to stay away from Dake's lists because they are mostly figments of his imagination. I do enjoy the historical notes on Scripture, though. This find is disappointing. I will not throw the book completely aside because it was a gift of my late father, but I will use my other study Bibles more often.

God bless,
Dave

May be we should ask for more info on these. lets just not be tooo disappointed yet. i want to try to find out more on these. Yes, fortunately i also use strong's concordance, and the hebrew greek interlinear these days. But i cant dispose of it. i spent R850 on my leather version, LOL....This can also be of assistance if you want to see a pentecostal stance on some issues. as it is said most use it...


Shalom
Queen

 

[queenm04]

Apparently, from what i just heard, don't know how true, there were people that were still perpetuating Dake's racist ideas. like the word faith movement, Kenneth Hagin sr, Kenneth Copeland and Kenyon. and black american ministers began to stand up against all these. and Hagin jr was called to apologise for the movement on behalf of his father, and he did not! any one know all these

Theology scholars substantiate or refute, just want to know if any of these is true

 

[daveleau]

May be we should ask for more info on these. lets just not be tooo disappointed yet. i want to try to find out more on these. Yes, fortunately i also use strong's concordance, and the hebrew greek interlinear these days. But i cant dispose of it. i spent R850 on my leather version, LOL....This can also be of assistance if you want to see a pentecostal stance on some issues. as it is said most use it...


Shalom
Queen

Dake was a Pentecostal and the Pentecostal church that I grew up in still believes in the separation of races, in that intermarriage is wrong. *shrugs* For obvious reasons, I do not still go there.

The Dake has some great historical data interspersed in the text. A lot of the Greek that is mentioned is correct and very helpful.

Dake is a Gap Theorist and uses Jeremiah 4:23 to support the idea of the Gap Theory because it uses the same terminology as the Creation of the earth *without form and void). This is a huge exegetical error in that he completely ignores the context of Jer 4:23 in saying that this has implications on Creation.

I take everything with a grain of salt that I see in my Dake, though. I do not like that it is a commentary by one man instead of a group of men. I also do not like his ultra-conservative literalism of his teachings. He is a legalist, which is not what Jesus was.

Still, it is useful because there is much truth in the commentaries. Just be careful in what you take from it.

God bless,
Dave

 

[queenm04]

Dake was a Pentecostal and the Pentecostal church that I grew up in still believes in the separation of races, in that intermarriage is wrong. *shrugs* For obvious reasons, I do not still go there.

Interesting! there has been discussions around which laws did Jesus abolish and which laws did he fulfil, this can add a different dimension

The Dake has some great historical data interspersed in the text. A lot of the Greek that is mentioned is correct and very helpful.

So true...

Dake is a Gap Theorist and uses Jeremiah 4:23 to support the idea of the Gap Theory because it uses the same terminology as the Creation of the earth *without form and void). This is a huge exegetical error in that he completely ignores the context of Jer 4:23 in saying that this has implications on Creation.

I take everything with a grain of salt that I see in my Dake, though. I do not like that it is a commentary by one man instead of a group of men. I also do not like his ultra-conservative literalism of his teachings. He is a legalist, which is not what Jesus was.

Still, it is useful because there is much truth in the commentaries. Just be careful in what you take from it.

After realising his stance on somethings i began to read it objectively.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Have been close with my bible for a considerable time. Still is! But I am astonished on his views on some issues, e.g. The Sabbath, any thoughts?

My personal opinion? Stay away from it! I have one too . . I take my own advice on this matter. . .


Peace in Him!