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Osiris said:Matthew, how are you so sure that what you believe(God, Jesus, Bible, etc..) is an ultimate meaning and truth to reality?
I really see no historical accuracy in the bible, I wouldn't know how to tell, I would have to compare it to some historical account to see if the bible is historical accurate.
cze_026 said:If you want to see historical accuracy you should perhaps consult Asimov's Guide to the Bible ( Vol 1 - OT, Vol 2 - NT). In it he describes at great length what has been supported biblically from various other non-theolgical sources.
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Asimov said:What really matters is if the stories about him are factual or just mythicized and based off of someone who lived, but did slightly different non-magical things.
History is completely silent on most of the things contained in the gospels.Matthew777 said:That is true and history does show the Gospels to be reliable.
God made all things, even the devil. Why would it be a surprise if he made lots of spirits, or 'gods'?Numenor said:Are you saying that, Hindu and Muslim gods, for example, are real, and that they were created by the Christian God?
Electric Sceptic said:History is completely silent on most of the things contained in the gospels.
.Manic Depressive Mouse said:This is where your "evidence" system fall appart. Because for God to exist he has to be the only God, therefore the only spiritual force. [What are you on about man? That is ridiculous! We know there are demons, He cast some out Himself while here. We know some angels are fallen, and we know the devil is real. It's just that God is the Head Honcho. Dagon, I think was the name of one god they had a statue of in the old testament. They stuck the ark of the covenant in the same room with it overnight, and found it dismembered the next morning. They tried again the next night, and found it with even more members missing, or cut off, and in a bowing position before the ark! Other spirits are real, just puny in comparison to the One True God] People said they saw a Hindu God, but if God is the only God how can a Hindu one exist? [How can a fly exist in a house before it gets thouroughly cleaned?]
Honestly, accepting what people believe as "fact" is just utterly rediculous. If I believe that little fairy's move the planets round the sun is that fact dad? I'm thinking outside the box, but it's all a load of hogwash.
[Sounds like that one is.]
Science gets results. [Nuclear bombs among them! Anyhow, prayer gets results too, and working according to the laws we know of the spirit world get results too. The only difference is that science presently is strictly limited to physical results only!] If you are right about them missing out half the picture they wouldn't be able to do that. If the spirit world directly affected the physical world all of science would be useless. [Pretty close, but it can have some good uses, if not overrated!] It isn't, so the spirit world must not affect the physical world and is thus irrelevant to science and the accuracy of it. [The physical world is seperate now for a short while from the spiritual one. Nevertheless it breaks through and has tremendous effects all the time!]
QED, you're talking rubbish. [On the contrary, fixating on onlyphysics is rubbish when attempted to be applied to the future or far past!]
Think about it, they were in Israel. The historians were also from there. They had just had Him killed, and used false witnesses, and even tried to bribe people to say he never rose from the tomb-but God pulled a fast one, and the tomb had guards, so everyone knew.Electric Sceptic said:Except that this 'many' didn't write anything or leave any record of this sight (except for the gospels, of course). This man, dead three days, came back to life and walked around...and not one historian of the day wrote about it.
Except that no global flood ever happened. Many local floods, of course, have been and continue to be detected.
Right...'everyone knew', yet nobody outside the gospel authors thought to write about it. Historians, Romans, Israelites...nobody thought somebody (actually, lots of people) rising from the dead was worth noting down. That's believable.dad said:Think about it, they were in Israel. The historians were also from there. They had just had Him killed, and used false witnesses, and even tried to bribe people to say he never rose from the tomb-but God pulled a fast one, and the tomb had guards, so everyone knew.
dad said:God made all things, even the devil. Why would it be a surprise if he made lots of spirits, or 'gods'?
dad said:Think about it, they were in Israel. The historians were also from there. They had just had Him killed, and used false witnesses, and even tried to bribe people to say he never rose from the tomb-but God pulled a fast one, and the tomb had guards, so everyone knew.
God will frustate those who stand in the way of His will. He knows what puny wicked men can and will do, and when it is important, He is miles ahead of the game.Asimov said:God pulled a fast one.....
This is seriously the most disturbing thread I've ever read. Dad, are you 10?
He made good and evil, in case you were not aware! He doesn't want us worshiping evil spirits, and if you want to know which ones are good and bad, I already gave the acid test. Some spirits come as an angel of light, and seem pretty good, we need to know how to tell the difference, and we can. If they confess that Jesus is come in the flesh, fine. If not-beware!Numenor said:So you're saying God is indeed the author of confusion, by creating the deities of other religions?
If the faces surround you, all around you, and they are the boundry of a box, and you are in the middle, you couldn't be outside it. Or am I missing something here?I declare the 6 imaginary faces that surround me to be the boundary of a "box". I declare myself to be on the outside of it.
dad said:If the faces surround you, all around you, and they are the boundry of a box, and you are in the middle, you couldn't be outside it. Or am I missing something here?
What box am I in?The Lady Kate said:Indeed you are, but being in the box, it's to be expected...
You're in the box of 'everything has to have a spiritual explanation'. It doesn't allow for explanations that lie purely in the physical.dad said:What box am I in?
Things only physical need only a physical explanation. But things physical, that once were merged with the spiritual can not be at all explained with only a physical explanation. A box denotes some form of limitation. You suggest I am limited for not being limited by the physical only. This would only make sense if one was inside the box. It is riddiculous from my vantage point!Electric Sceptic said:You're in the box of 'everything has to have a spiritual explanation'. It doesn't allow for explanations that lie purely in the physical.
Yes, of course. I'd expect someone who is inside the box to say that. Nevertheless, the fact remains. Your box is the 'spiritual' box. Not that you believe that some things have a spiritual element; but rather that you insist on claiming things have a spiritual element when there is no evidence to suggest that they do. For example, evolution is a physical phenomenon. Yet you insist that it has a spiritual aspect, and without taking it into account, any account of evolution is lacking. Yet you cannot demonstrate that this spiritual element exists. This is your box...your insistence on spiritual elements without any evidence at all that such is present.dad said:Things only physical need only a physical explanation. But things physical, that once were merged with the spiritual can not be at all explained with only a physical explanation. A box denotes some form of limitation. You suggest I am limited for not being limited by the physical only. This would only make sense if one was inside the box. It is riddiculous from my vantage point!
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