dad said:
He was saying to the devil in Matthew that the punk shouldn't tempt Him.
Actually, he said that you should not test God...something you like to claim can be done.
dad said:
I already showed how He likes to be tested and proved.
You have not shown it; you have claimed it and, despite repeated requests, have not supported your claim in any way.
dad said:
Everyone in this thread, christians included, with the exception of you, can and is disputing it, since you've not supported it in any way.
dad said:
and I've seldom seen such a silly, unspiritual, lame attempt.
Not since your last post?
dad said:
OK, lets look at this. Are you saying that the sun will burn out, or that it will never burn out and die?
I'm saying precisely what I said. That disagreeing with YOUR interpretation is not disagreeing with god.
dad said:
It is not a total flop at all.
Well gee, you better make up your mind. 'Total flop' was YOUR phrase, nobody else's.
dad said:
My beef is with WOMD, and abotion, and cloning, and some of these misuses of it, and especially it's dreams of old ages based on PO processes.
Your beef is with anything that disagrees with your religious belief. Science is fine - great in fact - until it disagrees with you. Then, of course, it's wrong. And 'a total flop'.
And we all notice that you have completely ignored attempts to reasonably discuss your 'spiriscience' or 'spirycs' or whatever you want to call it. I'll try again with part of an earlier post that you completely ignored...
So which is it...is the spiritual testable and repeatable, and consequently approachable via the scientific method, or is it not testable and repeatable, and consequently not approachable via the scientific method?
Now, if it is testable and repeatable (as you have claimed), then you should be able to show some repeatable tests for it. You've attempted to do this for one particular spiritual claim (that asking Jesus into your life actually has an effect), but your attempt was badly flawed. You repeatedly stated that if you ask Jesus into your life, you WOULD get a result...but you were unable to specify what that result was. You even stated that no result might be discernable until after death! This makes me think you don't know what 'testable' means in this context. Let me give you an example, using science.
I claim that the force of gravity at sea level on our planet is 9.8 m/s^2. To support this, I propose a simple experiment. Drop a weight from a height of ten metres at (approximately) sea level. It should take slightly over one second to hit the ground. This test is repeatable by anyone, at any time. Every time it is performed and the weight does take slightly over one second to hit the ground, the claim gets a bit more support. Conversely, if at any time the weight takes (say) half a second, or two seconds to hit the ground, the claim is falsified. This test encompasses the core of the scientific method - a hypothethesis (force of gravity is 9.8 m/s^2 at sea level), an experiment (drop a weight from ten metres), expected results (weight takes just over a second to hit the ground), and conclusions (hypothesis either supported or falsified by the actual results). This is what testable means in this context. Anything that is testable in similar fashion is approachable via the scientific method.
Now, is the spiritual testable in this fashion? Note that your famous 'physical only' objection doesn't work here. There are no reasons why the expected results need be physical. For example, if you were to claim that, after inviting Jesus into your life, people will experience a supreme feeling of peace and tranquility, that would be valid (and obviously not physical). It would be rather subjective and difficult to quantify, but it would be something. It would be an expected result. If you can't provide a meaningful expected result (ie., more than 'something will happen, sometime'), then it's not testable. The same applies to all your other claims of 'spiritual laws' that are inviolate. What are they, and how do we test them?
Now, if it's not testable, my question is just how does your 'spiriscience' work? What does it achieve? For example, how does it tell us that evolutionary theory is false? Science tells us evolutionary theory is true; how does 'spiriscience' work to tell us differently? Is 'spiriscience' anything more than 'science until my interpretation of the bible is contradicted by it, and then my interpretation of the bible'? Remember, you are the one putting forward this 'spiriscience', wanting to teach it to children, and so forth - it's quite reasonable for me to ask exactly what it is and how it works.