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Cornell said:
Is there an estimate af how many people have inhabited earth since Adam and Eve? :scratch:
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MuAndNu said:
I'm sure you're sincere, but to give an estimate would be as much as admitting there actually was an Adam & Eve. Many of us here don't buy that.

There really is no way of knowing. There may have been fewer then one hundred at the time of the FLOOD. There may have been a few thousand. We know (Biblically speaking) that Adam and Eve had at least 3 boys and that one was murdered before he had children. It is not unreasonable that Cain married either a sister or the offspring of another sibling. We are not given the age of Cain when he had children and we do not know how old Cain was when he died. We do know that Noah's father died 5 years before the FLOOD.
Methuselah, Noah's grandfather, died the year of the FLOOD. Noah was six hundred years old when the FLOOD began. Enoch was taken by GOD as a living witness 18 years before Noah was born. It is likely that the closer a man was to GOD the fewer children he begat. Not that children are bad but a man living in violence and sin would be likely to have more children by several women. Then again, GOD may have acted against such and prevented children to some degree as a precursor to the FLOOD.
 
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There really is no way of knowing.
Such thing as a world flood would be quite noticeable, we would found tons of fossils in the same layer all around the world.

There may have been fewer then one hundred at the time of the FLOOD.
Why you say that? What is your source?

Noah was six hundred years old when the FLOOD began.
Ow, that´s my age too! I didn´t know that reaching this age was a normal thing to happen!
 
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CristianoBR said:
Such thing as a world flood would be quite noticeable, we would found tons of fossils in the same layer all around the world.
Oh do give it a rest, obviously there are assumptions being made, go with the flow.
 
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JohnR7 said:
Some people believe that there are more people alive than what has died up to this point in time.
According to one source (with no citations, sigh) todays population accounts for 6% of the total population over time which jibes pretty well with what I remember the last time I went digging into this.

I doubt stopping it at even 6,000 years ago would increase that by much, so
very roughly the answer is 120 billion.
 
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CristianoBR said:
Such thing as a world flood would be quite noticeable, we would found tons of fossils in the same layer all around the world.


Why you say that? What is your source?


Ow, that´s my age too! I didn´t know that reaching this age was a normal thing to happen!

I could ask you the same.... What is your source? It really does not matter what we think. We do not know the reality without actually being there. Tons of fossiles in the very same layer all around the world would suggest that all animals died at the same time for the very same way. We cannot prove this. The likelyhood is that coastal marine life was effected first. Some animals likely would have been killed in volcanic eruptions. Some animals likely drowned early on while others (birds and humans) would have flown / climbed until tired or they simply ran out of places to go.
Some would have been killed and buried by asteroid debris. Some would have floated for a while, some were buried immediately. Just after the Flood there seems to have been a rapid movement of the crust and this would have buried bodies or covered fossils already forming under additional layers. You are thinking in terms of a mere flood. You are thinking small. This was an EPIC on a grand scale that took a year just to allow Noah to leave the ark. The restructuring most likely continued for centuries... This would have created more fossils.
 
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LittleNipper said:
There really is no way of knowing. There may have been fewer then one hundred at the time of the FLOOD. There may have been a few thousand. We know (Biblically speaking) that Adam and Eve had at least 3 boys and that one was murdered before he had children. It is not unreasonable that Cain married either a sister or the offspring of another sibling. We are not given the age of Cain when he had children and we do not know how old Cain was when he died. We do know that Noah's father died 5 years before the FLOOD.
Methuselah, Noah's grandfather, died the year of the FLOOD. Noah was six hundred years old when the FLOOD began. Enoch was taken by GOD as a living witness 18 years before Noah was born. It is likely that the closer a man was to GOD the fewer children he begat. Not that children are bad but a man living in violence and sin would be likely to have more children by several women. Then again, GOD may have acted against such and prevented children to some degree as a precursor to the FLOOD.

My point is that many of us doubt the existence of Adam and Eve. Therefore, any estimates of populations since they lived would be based on--nothing.
 
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LittleNipper said:
Some animals likely would have been killed in volcanic eruptions. Some animals likely drowned early on while others (birds and humans) would have flown / climbed until tired or they simply ran out of places to go.
Which volcanic eruptions would those be?

Sea going reptiles are always found in different and older layers than sea going mammals.

Mammalian bones are never found with the oldest/deepest dinosaurs,
Only a few of the most primative forms of mammalian species are found with later dinosaurs.
No quick moving dinosaurs or flying reptiles are found with slow moving
mammoths or giant sloths, they are always found in older/deeper strata compared with the slow moving mammals. OTOH fast moving mammals are found with slow moving mammals as are more modern reptiles.

There are mammals, birds, reptiles, plants and insects found in the La Brea tar pits, but no dinosaurs.

You want to believe in your church's literal interpretation of Gen 1-11, fine; but don't claim that the physical evidence supports that interpretation.
Take your interpretation on faith and leave it at that.
 
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MuAndNu said:
My point is that many of us doubt the existence of Adam and Eve. Therefore, any estimates of populations since they lived would be based on--nothing.

I understand this. My point is that ANY population statistics projected back to ancient times are speculative at best. They are not absolutes and should not be taught as such.
 
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Robert the Pilegrim said:
Which volcanic eruptions would those be?

Sea going reptiles are always found in different and older layers than sea going mammals.

Mammalian bones are never found with the oldest/deepest dinosaurs,
Only a few of the most primative forms of mammalian species are found with later dinosaurs.
No quick moving dinosaurs or flying reptiles are found with slow moving
mammoths or giant sloths, they are always found in older/deeper strata compared with the slow moving mammals. OTOH fast moving mammals are found with slow moving mammals as are more modern reptiles.

There are mammals, birds, reptiles, plants and insects found in the La Brea tar pits, but no dinosaurs.

You want to believe in your church's literal interpretation of Gen 1-11, fine; but don't claim that the physical evidence supports that interpretation.
Take your interpretation on faith and leave it at that.

Actually, dinosaurs are found by themselves. They likely lived apart from "civilized" areas. Mammals are found in different climates then reptiles.
Genesis 7:11 NIV reads

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeeth day of the second month---on that day ALL the springs of the great deep BURST forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were open. And rain fell on the earth forthy days and forthy nights.

Genesis 10:25 NIV reads

Two sons were born to Eber: One was named PELEG, because in his time the EARTH WAS DIVIDED; his brother was named Joktan.

PELEG was the great great grandson of Shem.

Psalm 18:1-24 This is a song of David that seems to be comparing David's trouble with reflections on those of Noah.

Psalm 46:1-11 we again seem to be revisiting Noah's epic.

Psalm 104: 1-9 and 29-35 the Flood again seems to be reflected upon. David wrote under the inpiration of the Holy Spirit. It is most obvious that David knew of Noah's epic and was enlightened of them...
 
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LittleNipper said:
Actually, dinosaurs are found by themselves. They likely lived apart from "civilized" areas.
Dinosaurs fossils are found with mammal fossils and plant fossils that indicate an environment that mammals would live in today, but no modern mammal fossils are to be found.
Mammals are found in different climates then reptiles.
Name a climate/environment in which only reptiles are found.
Nutria and other rodents, bats, birds, deer and big cats live in swamps alongside crocodiles and snakes;
mice, camel, jackrabbits, various birds and peccary live in desert alongside snakes and lizards.
It is most obvious that David knew of Noah's epic
Yes, David did live after Moses and after the Torah was written.
 
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