Curious quiverfull question please

[Cello]

For those who are quiver-full-ers. I read the other thread, or tried to, I may have missed something. But can someone who is QF (all who are...) tell me thoughts on intimacy and abstinance.

What I mean is - I am hearing - "we'll let God plan our kids" I am wondering if that extends to love making...frequency, etc. It seems to me it would have to. It seems to me to be TRULY of that mindset it would have to also include a component of not avoiding sex 'unbiblically'. Does it? (maybe it has to do with mutual submission, etc)

Is that taken into consideration with this ideology?

 

[CoffeeSnob]

Whenever the mood arises-- we dont abstain at all unless certain monthly things arise... ahem

 

[CoffeeSnob]

Is that taken into consideration with this ideology?

I actually never gave it a thought-- if Im going to let God plan my family, Im going to leave it totally in His control-- kind of 'if it happens it happens-- God opens and closes the womb'-- there is no other possible way for a baby to be concieved unless He allows it-- we dont worry about anything in that area.

 

[Cello]

I actually never gave it a thought-- if Im going to let God plan my family, Im going to leave it totally in His control-- kind of 'if it happens it happens-- God opens and closes the womb'-- there is no other possible way for a baby to be concieved unless He allows it-- we dont worry about anything in that area.

I don't understand your response. If you are leaving it in His control then you must consider sexual intimacy and how often God would have you be intimate? Suppose your hubby is in the mood and your not? Suppose you feel like making love but are too tired?

I'm not sure how to get my point across. God opens and closes the womb, God creates life. Yes. I agree and I got that. However, if you never have sex, you'll never conceive. Was it Gods plan for you to never have sex? How do you incorporate the aspect of sexual intimacy and our possible control over that or following Gods leading in that - is it addressed by the QF theory?

Basically I'm asking if there is any consideration given to the aspect of sexual intimacy itself within the QF methodology.

But never mind - I didnt' realize both posts were from you...lol. You pretty much answered it in your other post. Whenever the mood arises -- and you consider "the mood" God given then...yes?

 

[MERCY@GRACE]

Hi cello your question is kind of confusing.

What I mean is - I am hearing - "we'll let God plan our kids" I am wondering if that extends to love making...frequency, etc. It seems to me it would have to. It seems to me to be TRULY of that mindset it would have to also include a component of not avoiding sex 'unbiblically'. Does it? (maybe it has to do with mutual submission, etc)

We as christians know that the only time the bible talks about abstaining is when the couple has agreed to abstain due to prayer and fasting. I'm assuming QF follow the same "theology". I wonder if you might be thinking too deep into it LOL! There are also other times we all (including men and women) passed on the "no" card due to illness etc
I really don't consider myself QF, bc to be QF both have to be in agreement. Since dh is not a christian and doesn't adhere to the same principals I do, I cannot say that we are "purposefully" qf. He respects that I Don't believe in BC though.

Is your question....do qf ppl pray before they have sex and ask God if this is the right time? I'm sorry I'm just confused at the question heheheh

 

[okiemommy26]

Whenever the mood arises-- we dont abstain at all unless certain monthly things arise... ahem

Yep that is what we do.

 

[Cello]

Hi cello your question is kind of confusing.


We as christians know that the only time the bible talks about abstaining is when the couple has agreed to abstain due to prayer and fasting. I'm assuming QF follow the same "theology". I wonder if you might be thinking too deep into it LOL! There are also other times we all (including men and women) passed on the "no" card due to illness etc
I really don't consider myself QF, bc to be QF both have to be in agreement. Since dh is not a christian and doesn't adhere to the same principals I do, I cannot say that we are "purposefully" qf. He respects that I Don't believe in BC though.

Is your question....do qf ppl pray before they have sex and ask God if this is the right time? I'm sorry I'm just confused at the question heheheh

Sorry, don't mean to be confusing...but you got the gist of it. I wonder how many who are QF carry it through to that length, if that is part of what is 'preached' in that philosophy. For if its NOT and its NOT adhered to, then there is a 'usurping' of Gods will (to an extent - at least in our puny planning of things) and not the TRUE "we are doing it God's way" by "not using BC or avoiding pregnancy".

Do you get what I mean? I mean its the short end of the stick (it seems to me) to sound like Gods will is being followed and giving God all the power and control...when we are still controlling (if we are) the times we come together.

I mean, not that it matters to me one way or the other, I am just wondering from an outsiders POV if the ENTIRE process of baby making and GOds control is taken into consideration by those who practice QF or call themselves QF. Purely out of curiosity - not in any sort of judgement...it was just something I thought of when I read that other thread and rather than ask it there and have it get buried in that long thread - thought I would offer it up here.

 

[RadicalRabbit]

ok I know what cycle day I am on. Hubby doesn't though. This is because my cycles tend to be very regular. (which is why I have a baby that is due 42 weeks from lmp)

genuine prayer and fasting... at a certain time of the month only, when the woman is most receptive to her husband... really wont last long. Its a heart attitude. Are you seeking Gods will over something with your prayer and fasting... or are you denying yourself and your husband as a means to prevent a child?

Frankly if you are... I can't say I blame you. there have been times when I haven't been QF, or wish I wasn't, or am tired and grumpy from a bad day...

and no *giggle* we dont pray and ask if its right or not. Cause if *it* happens we are blessed. oh OK Amanda sometimes it takes a while to get used to the blessing-ness of it all. *chuckle*

Honestly this is the kind of question we get on the Quverful Email lists. (along with... if you are on state aid... what right have you to have yet another child? and whats the best 15 seater vehicle..? )

 

[Redguard]

I have a 'quiverfull' question too.

Do Quiverfull couples ever use the "pull and pray" method? I'm just thinking that there must be a time or two where you know you don't want to chance it, right?

 

[RadicalRabbit]

redguard.

not that I can attest to. chance what? an abundant blessing? a reward given for good?


nahh you can put your million dollars away too - its just not the right *time* for us to be blessed.


*said with a giggle... and in fun*

 

[Cello]

ok I know what cycle day I am on. Hubby doesn't though. This is because my cycles tend to be very regular. (which is why I have a baby that is due 42 weeks from lmp)

genuine prayer and fasting... at a certain time of the month only, when the woman is most receptive to her husband... really wont last long. Its a heart attitude. Are you seeking Gods will over something with your prayer and fasting... or are you denying yourself and your husband as a means to prevent a child?

Frankly if you are... I can't say I blame you. there have been times when I haven't been QF, or wish I wasn't, or am tired and grumpy from a bad day...

and no *giggle* we dont pray and ask if its right or not. Cause if *it* happens we are blessed. oh OK Amanda sometimes it takes a while to get used to the blessing-ness of it all. *chuckle*

Honestly this is the kind of question we get on the Quverful Email lists. (along with... if you are on state aid... what right have you to have yet another child? and whats the best 15 seater vehicle..? )

For the record, I'm not married - not looking to be either - VERY content where God has me -- I was just wondering about the totaly mindset of those who are QFers. )

THANKS!

 

[CoffeeSnob]

I don't understand your response. If you are leaving it in His control then you must consider sexual intimacy and how often God would have you be intimate? Suppose your hubby is in the mood and your not? Suppose you feel like making love but are too tired?

I'm not sure how to get my point across. God opens and closes the womb, God creates life. Yes. I agree and I got that. However, if you never have sex, you'll never conceive. Was it Gods plan for you to never have sex? How do you incorporate the aspect of sexual intimacy and our possible control over that or following Gods leading in that - is it addressed by the QF theory?

Basically I'm asking if there is any consideration given to the aspect of sexual intimacy itself within the QF methodology.

But never mind - I didnt' realize both posts were from you...lol. You pretty much answered it in your other post. Whenever the mood arises -- and you consider "the mood" God given then...yes?

Simply stated, we are intimate whenever-- we have never asked God if its Ok for me to be intimate with my husband because I know its ordained for a married couple to be intimate and its one of those special things that God gave us to enjoy, I believe, freely with eachother. I dont complicate it further than that.

Sometimes one of us is in the mood and the other one is not-- we do try to accomidate one another if that happens.

In our relationship, there is no 'set times' or huge prayer sessions that happen beforehand asking God if its Ok to 'do it' LOL

 

[CoffeeSnob]

I think that it could actually be taken to the very extreme and can be compared to "God is totally providing the food for our family" And you eat when you are hungry-- you dont constantly eat it and never stop in order to prevent hunger from ever happening again-- there are physical limitations and common sense to how much food your tummy will hold and even consequences if you overdo it.

Same with intimacy-if you just did it constantly because you wanted to make sure you werent preventing children-- instead of when you wanted or needed it- you can only take so much before it HURTS for both partners-- and dad would need to replenish his boys or he will be shooting blanks before long! God was so smart that he made it so sperm could live several days--even up to a week-- so it doesnt really take doing it every day constantly

There is no set "Do it x amount of times a day EVERY day if you really trust Me"

Its a matter really, of wanting and needing the intimacy of your husband-- thats whats so special about the married relationship.

 

[mafiedler]

Pull and pray? Never.

Even now when my husbands health is a little questionable, we let God decide.(husband has seizures)

The Lord choose not to bless us right now, despite the fact I keep track of my cycle so I know my windows or fertility. I think it is because He is going to do miraculuos things in our life, possibly even healing my husband. I think He knows I need to be home right now. Not in the hospital.

 

[Cello]

There is no set "Do it x amount of times a day EVERY day if you really trust Me"

WEll, LOL-- I know there is no - have sex 6 times a day...I was just wondering about the concept on a whole. My only point is, if we are not sensitive to God's will in the area of intimacy than we're really not sensitive to His will in conception or childbearing. And it sounds like you agree.

Its a matter really, of wanting and needing the intimacy of your husband-- thats whats so special about the married relationship.

yep, God does say that the desire will be for the husband and he shall rule over...