Curious, do Sabbath practioniers also practice Jubilee?

[JLB777]

(was listening to this part of the bible in the background so thus the question)
So you choose to celebrate a sabbath one day a week,

Do you work 6 years, then take a year off even if no money comes in?

Every 50 years, do you forgive all debts, even if you are in debt?

just curious, feel free to discuss why/why not.

Do people who keep the Sabbath do so according to the word of God?



Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’ ” So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.”
Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” So the people rested on the seventh day. Exodus 16:23-30


And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:12-15



Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, “These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”Exodus 35:1-3



Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died. Numbers 15:32-36



And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Numbers 28:9-10




Do you believe the Church is to observe these Sabbath requirements today, under the New Covenant?






JLB

 

[JLB777]

Which is not talking about Gods 4th commandment.

The 4th Commandment pertains to the Sabbath.

Do you observe the Sabbath according to God’s word?


And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Numbers 28:9-10




Do you believe the Church is to observe these Sabbath requirements today, under the New Covenant?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The 4th Commandment pertains to the Sabbath.

Do you observe the Sabbath according to God’s word?


And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Numbers 28:9-10




Do you believe the Church is to observe these Sabbath requirements today, under the New Covenant?

Did you know there are more than one Sabbath in scripture? The 4th commandment has nothing to do with animal sacrifices. The Sabbath was part of God’s perfect plan before sin. Genesis 2:1-3 and continues forever just like God promised. Exodus 31:16. Isaiah 66:23.

Animal sacrifices came after sin and are the yearly sabbath(s) festivals which is about food and drink offerings for the forgiveness of sin. In the New Covenant Jesus became our perfect Sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin and sanctification, and the animal sacrifices ended because the blood of animals is not perfect but the blood Jesus is. Animal sacrifices and food offerings ended at the cross Col 2:14, Hebrews 10 but what did not end are God’s eternal Ten Commandments which include the Sabbath commandment that Jesus indicated would be kept until the very end Matthew 24:20, Revelation 14:12 and the day we will be worshipping our Lord in heaven Isaiah 66:23 just like God promised would be an eternal covenant. Exodus 31:16

Hope this helps a little.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Repeating the Original Post.

(was listening to this part of the bible in the background so thus the question)
So you choose to celebrate a sabbath one day a week,

Do you work 6 years, then take a year off even if no money comes in?

Every 50 years, do you forgive all debts, even if you are in debt?

just curious, feel free to discuss why/why not.

 

[JLB777]

Did you know there are more than one Sabbath in scripture? The 4th commandment has nothing to do with animal sacrifices. The Sabbath was part of God’s perfect plan before sin. Genesis 2:1-3 and continues forever just like God promised. Exodus 31:16. Isaiah 66:23.

Animal sacrifices came after sin and are the yearly sabbath(s) festivals which is about food and drink offerings for the forgiveness of sin. In the New Covenant Jesus became our perfect Sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin and sanctification, and the animal sacrifices ended because the blood of animals is not perfect but the blood Jesus is. Animal sacrifices and food offerings ended at the cross Col 2:14, Hebrews 10 but what did not end are God’s eternal Ten Commandments which include the Sabbath commandment that Jesus indicated would be kept until the very end Matthew 24:20, Revelation 14:12 and the day we will be worshipping our Lord in heaven Isaiah 66:23 just like God promised would be an eternal covenant. Exodus 31:16

Hope this helps a little.

It may help you continue to deny God's word, but it certainly doesn't help anyone else.

The Sabbath is the seventh day of the week. The Sabbath was intended to be a day of rest. Under the law of Moses, the Sabbath laws and commandments required more, as the scriptures I presented show.

Are you under the law of Moses?



JLB

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It may help you continue to deny God's word, but it certainly doesn't help anyone else.

The Sabbath is the seventh day of the week. The Sabbath was intended to be a day of rest. Under the law of Moses, the Sabbath laws and commandments required more, as the scriptures I presented show.

Are you under the law of Moses?



JLB

Who wrote God’s Ten Commandments? God did with His own finger and God wrote and said these words:

showing mercy to thousands who love Me and keep My commandments. Exodus 20:6

Jesus repeats almost verbatim: If you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15

John says the same thing:

For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. 1 John 5:3

In contrast those who claim they know Him but do not keep His commandments are told this:

1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

Jesus obeyed His Fathers commandments and walked as our example to follow kept the Sabbath Luke 4:16 and is His chosen day for all eternity Isaiah 66:23. For me I choose to follow Jesus and the example He left, like the scriptures tell us.

I also love God so therefore I keep His commandments, because love IS keeping the commandments, which of course includes keeping the holy day of the Lord thy God. Exodus 20:10, Isaiah 58:13

 

[JLB777]

Who wrote God’s Ten Commandments? God did with His own finger and God wrote and said these words:

Do you believe the 10 Commandments originated with Moses and the law?


Here is a hint:

And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.” Genesis 26:4-5




JLB

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Do you believe the 10 Commandments originated with Moses and the law?


Here is a hint:

And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.” Genesis 26:4-5




JLB

Not responsive to my post but I will still answer…

The text you provided like others in scripture shows God made more than just commandments. It’s important to understand these differences because many erroneously think all laws are the same when we are told they are different.

2 Chronicles 19:10
Whatever case comes to you from your brethren who dwell in their cities, whether of bloodshed or offenses against law or commandment, against statutes or ordinances, you shall warn them, lest they trespass against the Lord and wrath come upon you and your brethren. Do this, and you will not be guilty.

When we get to Colossians it clearly tells us what has ended….

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

What ended was the handwriting of ordinances that are handwritten (Moses handwrote the law of ordinances in a book). God’s Ten Commandments are God-written- finger of God. Exodus 31:18

The fruit of a saved person keeps God’s commandments as shown all throughout scripture.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Hope this helps.

 

[Bob S]

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! 2Cor3

 

[JLB777]

Not responsive to my post but I will still answer…

The text you provided like others in scripture shows God made more than just commandments. It’s important to understand these differences because many erroneously think all laws are the same when we are told they are different.

2 Chronicles 19:10
Whatever case comes to you from your brethren who dwell in their cities, whether of bloodshed or offenses against law or commandment, against statutes or ordinances, you shall warn them, lest they trespass against the Lord and wrath come upon you and your brethren. Do this, and you will not be guilty.

When we get to Colossians it clearly tells us what has ended….

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

What ended was the handwriting of ordinances that are handwritten (Moses handwrote the law of ordinances in a book). God’s Ten Commandments are God-written- finger of God. Exodus 31:18

The fruit of a saved person keeps God’s commandments as shown all throughout scripture.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Hope this helps.

What would actually help, is if you would answer my question.

I even gave you a hint.

Do you believe the 10 Commandments originated with Moses and the law?

YES?
NO?


Here is a hint:

And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.” Genesis 26:4-5




JLB

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What would actually help, is if you would answer my question.

I even gave you a hint.

Do you believe the 10 Commandments originated with Moses and the law?

YES?
NO?


Here is a hint:

And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.” Genesis 26:4-5




JLB

I believe God’s Ten Commandments was before Mount Sinai. Sin is the transgression of God’s law 1 John 3:4. Where there is no law there is no sin Romans 4:15. I believe God’s Ten Commandments is eternal Revelation 11:19 and the reason Lucifer was thrown out of heaven for breaking the law of God (sin) that we all will be judged by. James 2:10-12.

 

[JLB777]

I believe God’s Ten Commandments was before Mount Sinai. Sin is the transgression of God’s law 1 John 3:4. Where there is no law there is no sin Romans 4:15. I believe God’s Ten Commandments is eternal Revelation 11:19 and the reason Lucifer was thrown out of heaven for breaking the law of God (sin) that we all will be judged by. James 2:10-12.

Yes I agree Lucifer was removed from heaven because he “coveted” the throne of God, to sit upon it and be worshipped.


God’s Commandments did not originate with Moses.


Abraham walk in obedience to God’s laws and commandments, as an example, to us 430 years before the law of Moses.


And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.” Genesis 26:4-5




JLB

 

[Bob S]

The real fact is that the whole system of laws given only to Israel ended with the coming of the new covenant. Israel broke the covenant that contained the ten commandments and the other 603 laws.

Another fact is that Gentiles were never under the laws of the old covenant. Question for you who believe Gentiles are subject to any of the ceremonial laws of the old covenant like the weekly Sabbath, where in all of scripture was this decree given?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God never made a covenant with the Gentiles and if we want to be part of God’s covenant promise we need to accept what comes with that which includes His laws written on our heart and mind Hebrews 8:10, Jer 31:33. Our precious Savior is not partial and loves everyone, not just the Jews so Gentiles can be grafted into the covenant for those who choose to follow God’s Word.

Galatians 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

All Ten of God’s Commandments are repeated in the New Covenant for everyday Christian living.

The Law of God in the New Testament.
1. "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Matthew 4:10).
2. "Little children, keep yourselves from idols" (1 John 5:21). "Since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising" (Acts 17:29).
3. "That the name of God and His doctrine may not be blasphemed" (1 Timothy 6:1).
4. "He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: 'And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.' There remains therefore a rest ["keeping of a sabbath," margin] for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His" (Hebrews 4:4, 9, 10).
And they rested, according to the commandment Luke 56:23
5. "Honor your father and your mother" (Matthew 19:19).
6. "You shall not murder" (Romans 13:9).
7. "You shall not commit adultery" (Matthew 19:18).
8. "You shall not steal" (Romans 13:9).
9. "You shall not bear false witness" (Romans 13:9).
10. "You shall not covet" (Romans 7:7).

 

[Bob S]

God never made a covenant with the Gentiles

On the contrary SB, the Abrahamic covenant is an everlasting covenant and it was made with a Gentile, Abraham. The covenant given to Israel waws an "IF" covenant. It could only last as long as Israel agreed to the demands of the covenant. The covenant with its 613 laws ended at Calvary Where Jesus ratified a new and better covenant withe His own blood. None of the covenants demand that Gentiles observe days.

and if we want to be part of God’s covenant promise we need to accept what comes with that which includes His laws written on our heart and mind Hebrews 8:10, Jer 31:33.

Yes, indeed we do. 1jn3;19-24

Our precious Savior is not partial and loves everyone, not just the Jews so Gentiles can be grafted into the covenant for those who choose to follow God’s Word.

Actually SB, Jesus made it clear we are all his children, so not only did He give Israel the new covenant He made us all one. There is no "grafting" requirement. Eph2:
14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

Galatians 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Thanks for supporting the fact that we are not grafted into Israel.

All Ten of God’s Commandments are repeated in the New Covenant for everyday Christian living.

Yes, but not as ritual commands for us to follow. There is absolutely no command telling Christians that we must keep any day.

The Law of God in the New Testament.
1. "You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Matthew 4:10).
2. "Little children, keep yourselves from idols" (1 John 5:21). "Since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising" (Acts 17:29).
3. "That the name of God and His doctrine may not be blasphemed" (1 Timothy 6:1).

Amen!

4. "He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: 'And God rested on the seventh day from all His works.' There remains therefore a rest ["keeping of a sabbath," margin] for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His" (Hebrews 4:4, 9, 10).

Hebrews is a book for Jews. You believe the writer is telling the Jews, who were already Sabbath observers, to observe the Sabbath. The writer is telling the Jews that they have never entered God's Rest. There is yet an invitation to enter that Rest. We know it is not a day because the Jews were already Sabbath observant. So, I have to conclude that your use of Heb4 is of no value in determining how Jesus would have us live.

And they rested, according to the commandment Luke 56:23

Yes, the Jews rested just like they had for centuries. Jesus had yet to reveal to Paul that Jews were no longer under the old covenant laws. That verse certainly does not help one to believe we are under Sabbath law.

5. "Honor your father and your mother" (Matthew 19:19).
6. "You shall not murder" (Romans 13:9).
7. "You shall not commit adultery" (Matthew 19:18).
8. "You shall not steal" (Romans 13:9).
9. "You shall not bear false witness" (Romans 13:9).
10. "You shall not covet" (Romans 7:7).

Amen! All of those are part of the New Command to love others as Jesus loves us.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

On the contrary SB, the Abrahamic covenant is an everlasting covenant and it was made with a Gentile, Abraham. The covenant given to Israel waws an "IF" covenant. It could only last as long as Israel agreed to the demands of the covenant. The covenant with its 613 laws ended at Calvary Where Jesus ratified a new and better covenant withe His own blood. None of the covenants demand that Gentiles observe days.


Yes, indeed we do. 1jn3;19-24


Actually SB, Jesus made it clear we are all his children, so not only did He give Israel the new covenant He made us all one. There is no "grafting" requirement. Eph2:
14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.


Thanks for supporting the fact that we are not grafted into Israel.


Yes, but not as ritual commands for us to follow. There is absolutely no command telling Christians that we must keep any day.



Amen!



Hebrews is a book for Jews. You believe the writer is telling the Jews, who were already Sabbath observers, to observe the Sabbath. The writer is telling the Jews that they have never entered God's Rest. There is yet an invitation to enter that Rest. We know it is not a day because the Jews were already Sabbath observant. So, I have to conclude that your use of Heb4 is of no value in determining how Jesus would have us live.



Yes, the Jews rested just like they had for centuries. Jesus had yet to reveal to Paul that Jews were no longer under the old covenant laws. That verse certainly does not help one to believe we are under Sabbath law.



Amen! All of those are part of the New Command to love others as Jesus loves us.

I see so its all the commandments except the one God said to Remember, thats the one commandment we are to forget. Sounds something that similarly was said in the garden, the opposite of what God said. Interesting you call the Sabbath a ritual like its not part of the Ten Commandments written by God Himself Exodus 31:18. God never called it the nine commandments or its multiple choice. Exodus 34:28 I am going with God on this, but we do have free will.

 

[Bob S]

I see so its all the commandments except the one God said to Remember, thats the one commandment we are to forget. Sounds something that similarly was said in the garden, the opposite of what God said. Interesting you call the Sabbath a ritual like its not part of the Ten Commandments written by God Himself Exodus 31:18. God never called it the nine commandments or its multiple choice. Exodus 34:28 I am going with God on this, but we do have free will.

How many times have I explained that God was not talking all the inhabitances of the World. It was Israel God told to remember not the remainder of the world. The ten commandments were for Israel, and only Israel.

Where did you get the idea I don't believe the Sabbath command was part of the ten commandments? Just because it was a ritual command does not make it any less than the other nine

 

[daq]

If the Father has chosen to heal in the Shabbat through His Son, and He has, according to multiple places in the Gospel accounts: then what of those who say they have no need? Is the saying not fulfilled in them, "They that are whole have no need of the physician", (Mark 2:17)?