Curious, do Sabbath practioniers also practice Jubilee?

[Gregory Thompson]

(was listening to this part of the bible in the background so thus the question)
So you choose to celebrate a sabbath one day a week,

Do you work 6 years, then take a year off even if no money comes in?

Every 50 years, do you forgive all debts, even if you are in debt?

just curious, feel free to discuss why/why not.

 

[ChristServant]

(was listening to this part of the bible in the background so thus the question)
So you choose to celebrate a sabbath one day a week,

Do you work 6 years, then take a year off even if no money comes in?

Every 50 years, do you forgive all debts, even if you are in debt?

just curious, feel free to discuss why/why not.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


Peace be to all those in the Body of Christ.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

(was listening to this part of the bible in the background so thus the question)
So you choose to celebrate a sabbath one day a week,

Do you work 6 years, then take a year off even if no money comes in?

Every 50 years, do you forgive all debts, even if you are in debt?

just curious, feel free to discuss why/why not.

Perhaps you might want to ask yourself the question. Where is the scripture in the bible that says Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus? If you know your scriptures you will know there is no such scripture that teaches anywhere in the bible that God's 4th commandment of Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 has been abolished and we are now commanded to follow Sunday worship. We should also consider that Jesus says in Matthew 15:3-9 if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. So the question we should be all asking ourselves is who do we believe and follow; God or man?

Something to pray about I guess.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


Peace be to all those in the Body of Christ.

Which is not talking about Gods 4th commandment.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Perhaps you might want to ask yourself the question. Where is the scripture in the bible that says Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus? If you know your scriptures you will know there is no such scripture that teaches anywhere in the bible that God's 4th commandment of Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 has been abolished and we are now commanded to follow Sunday worship. We should also consider that Jesus says in Matthew 15:3-9 if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. So the question we should be all asking ourselves is who do we believe and follow; God or man?

Something to pray about I guess.

That wasn't the question, and I think that's a copy and paste, pretty sure I've seen that post before.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


Peace be to all those in the Body of Christ.

I know, right?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

That wasn't the question, and I think that's a copy and paste, pretty sure I've seen that post before.

No copy and paste just saying it as it is. I can understand why you do not want to answer my question to you. Perhaps you can pray about it at home if you do not know what the answer is.

Take Care.

 

[Leaf473]

(was listening to this part of the bible in the background so thus the question)
So you choose to celebrate a sabbath one day a week,

Do you work 6 years, then take a year off even if no money comes in?

Every 50 years, do you forgive all debts, even if you are in debt?

just curious, feel free to discuss why/why not.

Great question!

I don't keep the weekly Sabbath the way most people think of it, so my answer won't really count. But for what it's worth...

I keep the idea behind of the weekly Sabbath by resting from my own works.

I keep the idea behind the annual Sabbath by not pushing the Earth to its limits, having respect for God's creation.

I keep the idea behind the Jubilee year by keeping in mind what Jesus taught:
Give, expecting nothing in return...

And also I think this from the Psalms
The one who gives to the poor lends to the Lord, and the Lord will repay.

 

[BobRyan]

(was listening to this part of the bible in the background so thus the question)
So you choose to celebrate a sabbath one day a week,

Do you work 6 years, then take a year off even if no money comes in?

Every 50 years, do you forgive all debts, even if you are in debt?

just curious, feel free to discuss why/why not.

Jubilee was a civil ordinance regarding land ownership only observable within a theocracy -- when the theocracy ended so did that civil ordinance. As is admitted even by "sunday" scholarship in examples such as "the Baptist Confession of Faith - sectn 19" and also "the Westminster Confession of Faith - sectn 19"

I really enjoy finding Bible details so incredibly obvious that scholarship on both sides admit it.

 

[GDL]

(was listening to this part of the bible in the background so thus the question)
So you choose to celebrate a sabbath one day a week,

Do you work 6 years, then take a year off even if no money comes in?

Every 50 years, do you forgive all debts, even if you are in debt?

just curious, feel free to discuss why/why not.

Isn't this just the often-used rhetorical approach to why following the Mosaic Law today is not our mandate?

The more pertinent questions have been discussed repeatedly: Do we still follow the 10 Commandments, or just 9 of them, or any of them, or..... and why or why not.

Whether or not any responding posts are original or not, the same questions deserve the same answers. And then the same debates with the same arguments will begin. Is this debate ever resolved? Are we even looking for resolutions?

Is there a difference between the day of rest based upon Creation and the other sabbaths specified for Israel with God in their midst and thereafter until Christ?

Personally, I like some of the thoughts Leaf473 mentions. There are principles underlying all of these things. The Day of Rest identified at Creation was clearly mandated and written by God per Moses, but Abraham was keeping God's Law prior to Moses. Can we say specifically that this did not include the Day of Rest (Genesis 26:5)?

One thing seems certain: Men make traditions contrary to God. Another thing: Our interpretations are still being debated and everyone seems to be an expert because of something they've read or been indoctrinated with by one or some of tens of thousands of denominations.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

No copy and paste just saying it as it is. I can understand why you do not want to answer my question to you. Perhaps you can pray about it at home if you do not know what the answer is.

Take Care.

I just wanted to know how hardcore about the sabbath you were, I have my answer.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Jubilee was a civil ordinance regarding land ownership

Yet the parables speak about the figurative application of "land" so there's probably an application lost to a lack of imagination.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Isn't this just the often-used rhetorical approach to why following the Mosaic Law today is not our mandate?

The more pertinent questions have been discussed repeatedly: Do we still follow the 10 Commandments, or just 9 of them, or any of them, or..... and why or why not.

Whether or not any responding posts are original or not, the same questions deserve the same answers. And then the same debates with the same arguments will begin. Is this debate ever resolved? Are we even looking for resolutions?

Is there a difference between the day of rest based upon Creation and the other sabbaths specified for Israel with God in their midst and thereafter until Christ?

Personally, I like some of the thoughts Leaf473 mentions. There are principles underlying all of these things. The Day of Rest identified at Creation was clearly mandated and written by God per Moses, but Abraham was keeping God's Law prior to Moses. Can we say specifically that this did not include the Day of Rest (Genesis 26:5)?

One thing seems certain: Men make traditions contrary to God. Another thing: Our interpretations are still being debated and everyone seems to be an expert because of something they've read or been indoctrinated with by one or some of tens of thousands of denominations.

Was just curious how devoted people are to rest.

It's one 7th of God's work process.

Eventually, the MP3 bible will go past the first 5 books of the bible and I will not have any more questions about the law for a couple days.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Great question!

I don't keep the weekly Sabbath the way most people think of it, so my answer won't really count. But for what it's worth...

I keep the idea behind of the weekly Sabbath by resting from my own works.

I keep the idea behind the annual Sabbath by not pushing the Earth to its limits, having respect for God's creation.

I keep the idea behind the Jubilee year by keeping in mind what Jesus taught:
Give, expecting nothing in return...

And also I think this from the Psalms
The one who gives to the poor lends to the Lord, and the Lord will repay.

Thanks for that.

 

[BobRyan]

Yet the parables speak about the figurative application of "land" so there's probably an application lost to a lack of imagination.

no doubt

- one possibility is the Jer 4 "desolate Earth" period where Earth has no humans only ruined cities - for the 1000 year millennium starting at the end of Rev 19.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

no doubt

- one possibility is the Jer 4 "desolate Earth" period where Earth has no humans only ruined cities - for the 1000 year millennium starting at the end of Rev 19.

Now turn that inside out, and imagine an earth where all the hearts of man have no selfish reason to be kind to one another.

 

[BobRyan]

Yet the parables speak about the figurative application of "land" so there's probably an application lost to a lack of imagination.

BobRyan said: ↑
no doubt - one possibility is the Jer 4 "desolate Earth" period where Earth has no humans only ruined cities - for the 1000 year millennium starting at the end of Rev 19.

Now turn that inside out, and imagine an earth where all the hearts of man have no selfish reason to be kind to one another.

not what the details point to in the texts above

Jer 4:

23 I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void;
And to the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking,
And all the hills moved to and fro.
25 I looked, and behold, there was no man,
And all the birds of the heavens had fled.
26 I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness,
And all its cities were pulled down
Before the Lord, before His fierce anger.

27 For thus says the Lord,
“The whole land shall be a desolation,
Yet I will not execute a complete destruction.
28 “For this the earth shall mourn
And the heavens above be dark,
Because I have spoken, I have purposed,
And I will not change My mind, nor will I turn from it.”​

Why a desolate Earth with no humans and only ruined cities in Jer 4?

1 Thess 4:13-18 all saints raptured to heaven John 14:1-3

Rev 19 "all the rest were killed"
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great.”

19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

2 Thess 1: All the unsaved slain at his appearing
5 This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction,
​

RESULT? - A Jubilee rest for the land - of 1000 years

 

[Leaf473]

not what the details point to in the texts above

Jer 4:
23 I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void;
And to the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking,
And all the hills moved to and fro.
25 I looked, and behold, there was no man,
And all the birds of the heavens had fled.
26 I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness,
And all its cities were pulled down
Before the Lord, before His fierce anger.

27 For thus says the Lord,
“The whole land shall be a desolation,
Yet I will not execute a complete destruction.
28 “For this the earth shall mourn
And the heavens above be dark,
Because I have spoken, I have purposed,
And I will not change My mind, nor will I turn from it.”

Why a desolate Earth with no humans and only ruined cities in Jer 4?

1 Thess 4:13-18 all saints raptured to heaven John 14:1-3

Rev 19 "all the rest were killed"
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great.”

19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

2 Thess 1: All the unsaved slain at his appearing
5 This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction,
​

RESULT? - A Jubilee rest for the land - of 1000 years

Is the Jubilee law kept, then, just in an altered fashion?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

not what the details point to in the texts above

Jer 4:
23 I looked on the earth, and behold, it was formless and void;
And to the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking,
And all the hills moved to and fro.
25 I looked, and behold, there was no man,
And all the birds of the heavens had fled.
26 I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness,
And all its cities were pulled down
Before the Lord, before His fierce anger.

27 For thus says the Lord,
“The whole land shall be a desolation,
Yet I will not execute a complete destruction.
28 “For this the earth shall mourn
And the heavens above be dark,
Because I have spoken, I have purposed,
And I will not change My mind, nor will I turn from it.”

Why a desolate Earth with no humans and only ruined cities in Jer 4?

1 Thess 4:13-18 all saints raptured to heaven John 14:1-3

Rev 19 "all the rest were killed"
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great.”

19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

2 Thess 1: All the unsaved slain at his appearing
5 This is a plain indication of God’s righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction,
​

RESULT? - A Jubilee rest for the land - of 1000 years

In the scriptures it says that man looks at the outward appearance, but God looks at the heart.

I was looking at the inner appearance of what you said.

 

[Jennifer K Harvey]

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