Crying Statue?

[PT Calvinist]

I've heard many accounts of a statue of Mary Crying...Is it true? A hoax?
I personally have never witnessed this event.

Anyone know what it symbolizes?

 

[PassthePeace1]

I've heard many accounts of a statue of Mary Crying...Is it true? A hoax?
I personally have never witnessed this event.

Anyone know what it symbolizes?

It can be both.

 

[PT Calvinist]

It can be both.

Do you personally believe that it has happened do to the spiritual sense. If so..why? Why would God enable a statue to cry?

 

[Sphinx777]

A statue is a sculpture in the round representing a person or persons, an animal, or an event, normally full-length, as opposed to a bust, and at least close to life-size, or larger. Its primary concern is representational.

The definition of a statue is not always clear-cut; sculptures of a person on a horse, called Equestrian statues, are certainly included, and in many cases, such as a Madonna and Child or a Pietà, a sculpture of two people will also be. A small statue, usually small enough to be picked up, is called a statuette or figurine.

Many statues are built on commission to commemorate a historical event, or the life of an influential person. Many statues are intended as public art, exhibited outdoors or in public buildings for the edification of passers-by, with a larger magnitude than normal words could ever have for the common man.

On rare occasions, statues themselves become historic and inspire their own historic events. In 1986, when the Statue of Liberty marked her one-hundredth anniversary, a three-day centennial celebration in her honor attracted 12 million. The guest list was unique. "We invited all the great statues of the world to her birthday party and created giant puppets to represent them," said Jeanne Fleming, director of the event. "Each one arrived accompanied by native music."

There is an urban legend concerning a code for mounted statues, whereby the horse's hooves are supposed to indicate how the rider met his end. One hoof off the floor would indicate the rider died of wounds received in battle, or perhaps was just wounded in battle; two hooves off the floor would indicate the rider was killed in battle. An examination of the equestrian statues in most major European cities shows this is not true. If it ever was true, the practice appears to have died out in the 19th century.

Statues are amongst the wonders of the world, with the Colossus of Rhodes and the Statue of Zeus at Olympia among the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World and the Moai of Easter Island among the wonders of the modern world.

 

[PT Calvinist]

A statue is a sculpture in the round representing a person or persons, an animal, or an event, normally full-length, as opposed to a bust, and at least close to life-size, or larger. Its primary concern is representational.

The definition of a statue is not always clear-cut; sculptures of a person on a horse, called Equestrian statues, are certainly included, and in many cases, such as a Madonna and Child or a Pietà, a sculpture of two people will also be. A small statue, usually small enough to be picked up, is called a statuette or figurine.

Many statues are built on commission to commemorate a historical event, or the life of an influential person. Many statues are intended as public art, exhibited outdoors or in public buildings for the edification of passers-by, with a larger magnitude than normal words could ever have for the common man.

On rare occasions, statues themselves become historic and inspire their own historic events. In 1986, when the Statue of Liberty marked her one-hundredth anniversary, a three-day centennial celebration in her honor attracted 12 million. The guest list was unique. "We invited all the great statues of the world to her birthday party and created giant puppets to represent them," said Jeanne Fleming, director of the event. "Each one arrived accompanied by native music."

There is an urban legend concerning a code for mounted statues, whereby the horse's hooves are supposed to indicate how the rider met his end. One hoof off the floor would indicate the rider died of wounds received in battle, or perhaps was just wounded in battle; two hooves off the floor would indicate the rider was killed in battle. An examination of the equestrian statues in most major European cities shows this is not true. If it ever was true, the practice appears to have died out in the 19th century.

Statues are amongst the wonders of the world, with the Colossus of Rhodes and the Statue of Zeus at Olympia among the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World and the Moai of Easter Island among the wonders of the modern world.

Statue Crying - posted by John Pacheco (catholiclegate) - tangle.com

 

[Stryder06]

I had to vote no. Although I believe that it is real, the statue crying, I know that it isn't the power of God behind it.

 

[DD2008]

I hear Spanish in the video. It must be in a climate south of the border, probably made of some strange wood. I imagine it is some form of condensation or something like that.

I don't believe God would use a graven image that way because people would worship it, like they do. If he was going to do a miracle for His glory it would be obvious and for His glory not for the glory of a creature.

Leviticus 26:1 ESV
26:1 “You shall not make idols for yourselves or erect an image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land to bow down to it, for I am the Lord your God.

 

[PaladinValer]

God told the Hebrews to use graven images before...the cherubim on the Ark and the serpent's head on the staff...and with the latter, people were cured and healed by looking at it.

Its quite Scriptural.

 

[Stryder06]

God told the Hebrews to use graven images before...the cherubim on the Ark and the serpent's head on the staff...and with the latter, people were cured and healed by looking at it.

Its quite Scriptural.

The cherubim nevered cried, and the people never prayed to them.

Nothing biblical about idols of a dead woman crying.

 

[DD2008]

God told the Hebrews to use graven images before...the cherubim on the Ark and the serpent's head on the staff...and with the latter, people were cured and healed by looking at it.

Its quite Scriptural.

Here is what happened to Nehushtan because it was being worshipped.

2 Kings 18:3-4 ESV
3 And he did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, according to all that David his father had done. 4 He removed the high places and broke the pillars and cut down the Asherah. And he broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the people of Israel had made offerings to it (it was called Nehushtan).

There is no decree of God to make a statue of a woman so we can watch it cry and bow beofer it in prayer. Scripture is clearly to the contrary.

 

[PaladinValer]

The cherubim nevered cried, and the people never prayed to them.

They were graven, however.

Nothing biblical about idols of a dead woman crying.

1. The image of her isn't an idol.
2. She's not dead.

 

[Stryder06]

They were graven, however.

This discussion isn't about graven images.

1. The image of her isn't an idol.
2. She's not dead.

1. The image is an idol. You may not look at it as such which is great, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it is an idol. People pray to it, people revere it, people build shrines for it (again, this may not apply to you which again would be great, but it does apply to others).

2. She is dead. No scripture points to her being in heaven.

 

[PaladinValer]

This discussion isn't about graven images.

Nor supposedly was the thread truly about Real Presence, even though it bore in its title only Transubstantiationism.

1. The image is an idol. You may not look at it as such which is great, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it is an idol. People pray to it, people revere it, people build shrines for it (again, this may not apply to you which again would be great, but it does apply to others).

People doulia them, not latria. And veneration of Saints' relics and other holy items has been in the faith since the death of the first martyrs. They deserve to be kept in the most reverent of care.

2. She is dead. No scripture points to her being in heaven.

It doesn't have to. Christianity wasn't sola Scriptura in your sense until Calvin, and even he had no problem with Marian titles.

 

[christianmomof3]

I've heard many accounts of a statue of Mary Crying...Is it true? A hoax?

Anyone know what it symbolizes?

this person knows the answer

 

[simonthezealot]

I had to vote no. Although I believe that it is real, the statue crying, I know that it isn't the power of God behind it.

People forget the adversaries deception and power...it baffles me...

 

[Gary51]

It can be both.

No it can't. Lumps of carved stone cannot cry....

I went out into my garden and beat my carved stone ornaments with a big stick and none of them cried!!!

 

[Tyndale]

I believe a statue of Mary can cry, its the unclean spirits making them cry. The spirits are trying to seduce people into following signs and wonders instead of following Gods word. Mark 16:17 says, "And these signs shall follow them that believe". In other words, the believers don't follow the signs. We are not to follow the signs and wonders, they follow us. Believers stay clear of the signs and wonders,the unclean spirits and false doctrines.

 

[Stryder06]

Nor supposedly was the thread truly about Real Presence, even though it bore in its title only Transubstantiationism.

Not sure what that is

People doulia them, not latria. And veneration of Saints' relics and other holy items has been in the faith since the death of the first martyrs. They deserve to be kept in the most reverent of care.

That's your opinion. A man made tradition if you will, there is no need to reverence anything other than God.

It doesn't have to. Christianity wasn't sola Scriptura in your sense until Calvin, and even he had no problem with Marian titles.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

That sounds sola scripture to me.

Matt 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

That scripture seems to indicate the dangers of man made doctrines not founded in the scripture.

 

[Stryder06]

People forget the adversaries deception and power...it baffles me...

Baffling indeed.

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

If Satan has the power to transform himself into an angel of light, how difficult do you think it is for him to bring liquid from a piece of stone?

 

[PaladinValer]

That's your opinion. A man made tradition if you will, there is no need to reverence anything other than God.

No, that's factual Greek, lost by those who keep the traditions of man and ignore the Traditions of God's Holy Church.

That scripture seems to indicate the dangers of man made doctrines not founded in the scripture.

Then embrace Apostolic Christianity already.