Crusades

[CabVet]

Was the Bible used to justify the Crusades and kill hundreds of thousands?

A variation on AV's attempt to flame scientists with his "Thalidomide" thread without the LOL option since there is only really one correct answer here.

 

[Resha Caner]

Was the Bible used to justify the Crusades and kill hundreds of thousands?

I don't follow all the petty bickering that goes on in this forum, so I don't understand how this question ended up in the science forum.

Still, it's a very interesting question. I did a quick scan of some speeches by Urban II, etc. and didn't see anyone directly quoting the Bible as a justification for the Crusades. But I could easily have missed something. It wouldn't surprise me if someone did try to use the Bible to justify a Crusade. So, my answer is "I don't know," which wasn't one of the choices.

Why? What's the point being made here?

 

[TheBear]

I think it was more church/state authority than it was scriptural teachings.

As we all witness every day, just about anything can be justified in the bible. I just don't think it was the case here.

 

[Resha Caner]

I think it was more church/state authority than it was scriptural teachings.

As we all witness every day, just about anything can be justified in the bible. I just don't think it was the case here.

Agreed. What I didn't know is if some verse quoting was part of that.

 

[AV1611VET]

Was the Bible used to justify the Crusades and kill hundreds of thousands?

IMO, yes.

But the Crusades were carried out in spite of the Bible; not with respect to It.

Notice what Jesus said here:

Luke 21:24b ... and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

The "times of the Gentiles" started in AD 70 and will end at Armageddon.

Yet, despite the fact that Jesus said Jerusalem will be occupied by Gentiles, Crusaders marched off to liberate Jerusalem.

The Bible, IF It was used to justify their actions, was used in the spirit of Kristallnacht.

 

[JustMeSee]

Was the Bible used to justify the Crusades and kill hundreds of thousands?

A variation on AV's attempt to flame scientists with his "Thalidomide" thread without the LOL option since there is only really one correct answer here.

Yes, the Holy Bible is used to justify wonderful acts, horrendous acts, and everything in between.

Powerful people use religion and anything at their disposal to further their goals.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, the Holy Bible is used to justify wonderful acts, horrendous acts, and everything in between.

Powerful people use religion and anything at their disposal to further their goals.

Knowing the difference between "in spite of" and "with respect to" helps, doesn't it?

 

[PsychoSarah]

People will use what they have in order to get what they want. That religion is commonly used as a political tool is more a fault with humans than it is with religion itself

 

[JustMeSee]

Knowing the difference between "in spite of" and "with respect to" helps, doesn't it?

No compende?

Barring quoting of Scripture, are there not wars using religions as a driving force?

I interpret or falsely so, with deliberation, a religious text to motivate others to behave in a specific manner.

Interpreting religious writing aided in the motivation to capture the judaeic lands.

There are writings specially condemning Christians from battling over these lands in the Holy Bible?

 

[Lost Angel]

No compende?

Barring quoting of Scripture, are there not wars using religions as a driving force?

I interpret or falsely so, with deliberation, a religious text to motivate others to behave in a specific manner.

Interpreting religious writing aided in the motivation to capture the judaeic lands.

There are writings specially condemning Christians from battling over these lands in the Holy Bible?

It was in spite of The Bible, Ms. JustmeSee.

 

[AV1611VET]

Barring quoting of Scripture, are there not wars using religions as a driving force?

Our coins have IN GOD WE TRUST on them.

If others interpret that as a call to arms, is war the fault of our coins?

And didn't Thomas Malthus blame war on Mother Nature?

 

[CabVet]

IMO, yes.

But the Crusades were carried out in spite of the Bible; not with respect to It.

Notice what Jesus said here:

Luke 21:24b ... and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

The "times of the Gentiles" started in AD 70 and will end at Armageddon.

Yet, despite the fact that Jesus said Jerusalem will be occupied by Gentiles, Crusaders marched off to liberate Jerusalem.

The Bible, IF It was used to justify their actions, was used in the spirit of Kristallnacht.

IMO.

But Thalidomide was commercialized as a wonder drug in spite of science and scientists; not with respect to them.

My point was made.

Now replace Thalidomide with everything else you blame on science/scientists.

 

[AV1611VET]

But Thalidomide was commercialized as a wonder drug in spite of science and scientists; not with respect to them.

I disagree.

I showed you from the Bible where the Crusades were against Scripture.

Can you show me your point from your documentation?

 

[Strathos]

People will use what they have in order to get what they want. That religion is commonly used as a political tool is more a fault with humans than it is with religion itself

I agree

 

[Davian]

IMO, yes.

But the Crusades were carried out in spite of the Bible; not with respect to It.

Notice what Jesus said here:
...

I do believe that there is no position, however contrary to another, that someone somewhere cannot find support for by a line in the bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

I do believe that there is no position, however contrary to another, that someone somewhere cannot find support for by a line in the bible.

So your answer to the OP is YES, just like mine is?

 

[Davian]

So your answer to the OP is YES, just like mine is?

I voted yes. Why did you?

 

[AV1611VET]

I voted yes. Why did you?

As you said, yourself:

I do believe that there is no position, however contrary to another, that someone somewhere cannot find support for by a line in the bible.

I'm not as extreme as you are; but as far as the Crusades are concerned, I believe they used the Bible to support it.

Even Vernon Howell used the Bible to push his agenda.

 

[Davian]

As you said, yourself:

I'm not as extreme as you are; but as far as the Crusades are concerned, I believe they used the Bible to support it.

Even Vernon Howell used the Bible to push his agenda.

Then your "in spite of the Bible" statement is incorrect. It may be in spite of your opinion of the bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then your "in spite of the Bible" statement is incorrect.

Why?

It may be in spite of your opinion of the bible.

I thought I justified "my opinion" with Jesus' own words in Luke 21:24?

IMO, yes.

But the Crusades were carried out in spite of the Bible; not with respect to It.

Notice what Jesus said here:

Luke 21:24b ... and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

The "times of the Gentiles" started in AD 70 and will end at Armageddon.

Yet, despite the fact that Jesus said Jerusalem will be occupied by Gentiles, Crusaders marched off to liberate Jerusalem.

The Bible, IF It was used to justify their actions, was used in the spirit of Kristallnacht.