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Indeed. In so far as the Mormons are Tritheists, following the progression from the heretic Eutyches to the heretical tritheist philosopher John Philoponus, the Mormons are the actual sole monophysites, since as we have discussed the accusation of Monophysitism made against the Oriental Orthodox by people ignorant of their theology as expressed in both scholarly and, more importantly, central liturgical compositions in the Coptic, Syriac, Armenian and Ethiopian liturgies, as my friends @dzheremi and @coorilose can attest, is unsupported and unsupportable, and thus the severe persecutions historically inflicted on them based on a false accusation of Christological heresy are unsupported.
 
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I see people getting baptized both ways. I do have the desire to be re-baptized.
Why out of curiosity? What undermines your confidence in your original? There are cases where a baptism can be conditionally repeated if there are doubts as to, for example, the Trinitarian orthodoxy of the original baptizer and the formula they used.
 
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Absolutely. Indeed rejection of the efficacy of a sacrament based on the sinfulness or unworthiness of who performed it is Donatism, and it is a heresy because we cannot assume any presbyter is at any time actually worthy to officiate a sacrament.
 
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How can a man be re-re-born? Can he enter again again into a pool and receive baptism baptism?

If a baptism was invalid due to incorrect form or other problems, strictly speaking they haven’t received it. The Roman Catholic Church for example will baptize or conditionally baptize converts in certain circumstances, for example, if they are converting from a non-Trinitarian cult like the Jehovah’s Witnesses or Oneness Pentecostals or Mormons.
 
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If a baptism was invalid due to incorrect form or other problems, strictly speaking they haven’t received it.
Amen, it isn't baptism if it isn't licit.
 
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Amen, it isn't baptism if it isn't licit.
Interestingly, in contrast to the idea of Sacramental illicity, the Eastern Orthodox churches use in this context the concept of oikonomia (economy, dispensation, stewardship, governance) by which stringent canons and practices can be waived or applied less severely when conducive to the maximum salvation of souls, in contrast to those cases when akribeia (strictness) is required for the maximum salvation if souls.

This reflects I think the primary difference between the Latin and Eastern approach to theology.
 
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I've been the chanter for a number of baptisms. Generally, we will accept baptisms from a Nicene church and simply chrismate them. However, if there is doubt about a legit baptism, we will go ahead and baptize the individual. That being said there are some flavors of Orthodox that prefer to baptize no matter what.
 
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lenient application is common in Catholic theology.

Oh certainly, I am not disputing that, but rather the Orthodox way of thinking about a canonical or liturgical requirement is distinct from the Scholastic Latin approach.
 
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Indeed, the Old Calendarists come to mind.

Among the major Orthodox churches however, the stricter ones simply insist on propriety of form, for example, in the Oriental Orthodox communion the Coptic Church wants people baptized with three full immersions, whereas the Syriac church is seemingly less strict.

GoArch, which I believe is your jurisdiction, used to have on its Archdiocesan website a convenient page listing those churches whose members could be received through Chrismation vs. Baptism.
 
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the Orthodox way of thinking about a canonical or liturgical requirement is distinct from the Scholastic Latin approach.
Scholastic?
Would you explain what you mean more precisely, please.
 
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Scholastic?
Would you explain what you mean more precisely, please.

I refer of course to those epochs of Latin theology regarded by the Roman Catholic Church as Scholastic, until the present (there are post-Scholastic theologians, and we also have the vibrant works of Pope Benedict XVI, memory eternal, which have Scholastic and neo-Patristic elements, but on the whole a Scholastic ethos permeates the Roman church). The Roman church considers the last Patristic theologian to have been St. John Damascene, interestingly enough, and most would probably agree that the greatest scholastic theologian was St. Thomas Aquinas.

Interestingly there is a widespread view in the Orthodox churches that does not consider the Patristic era as having ended, so one could refer to St. Gregory Palamas as a Church Father of the 14th century or St. Nicodemus the Hagiorite and St. Macarius of Corinth as 18th century fathers. This is because the Eastern churches value the preservation of tradition and have a splendid opposition to change.
 
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