Creations.

[AV1611VET]

That goes without saying.Don't think you're not included in that.

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

As I don't accept what people 2,000 years and more told me to believe. Questions everything, I'm safer than those clinging on to the hope that something invisible will save them.

Well, as the verse says:

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

 

[paulm50]

Well, as the verse says:

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

I would bet money you don't keep to the laws of the bible. You pick and choose.

 

[AV1611VET]

I would bet money you don't keep to the laws of the bible. You pick and choose.

As it says:

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

I'm no exception.

 

[paulm50]

As it says:

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

I'm no exception.

So Isaiah is saying we are all wrong and unless we follow what he says, because he knows what god wants, were in trouble.

Much the basis for every religion. The finest example of this insanity is Easter Island. There are others though. And like sheep the believers are hered up by the sheepdogs.

 

[SkyWriting]

Some need prosecuting for fraud. Even large established churches have Tithe systems. The really big ones like RCC, have accumulated so much wealth over the centuries, often through fraud and a form of slavery, they no longer need to take people's money. I was shocked that churches worshiping a man who owned little but the clothes he stood in, needs the biggest building in the town, or cities. Until recently.

I thought you said seed churches were the worst. Now you're off on some other rant entirely.

 

[AV1611VET]

So Isaiah is saying we are all wrong and unless we follow what he says, because he knows what god wants, were in trouble.

"Him" in that verse is Jesus Christ.

 

[paulm50]

I thought you said seed churches were the worst. Now you're off on some other rant entirely.

you know exactly what I mean. Churches over the centuries set up to make money. TV evangelists and Seed Ministries are the latest versions of them.

 

[paulm50]

"Him" in that verse is Jesus Christ.

No Isaiah is saying what he thinks people should do.

It was clear Jesus was here to save the Jewish people and to convert Gentiles to Judaism. Jesus never created Christianity. That came after he was gone and the work of others. Paul kicked it off.

As Isaiah lived 700 years prior to Jesus, I doubt if he was telling people what Jesus wanted. He was also Jewish and complaining about the way the Jews were acting.

 

[AV1611VET]

No Isaiah is saying what he thinks Jesus wants.

I take it you don't believe in verbal plenary inspiration, either, do you?

 

[Colter]

The only things created were religions. There are too many, too different, too split to be the work of a god. And seeing as men can create them so easily, it's obvious a god isn't required. All that's essential is a good powerful speaker with a good idea, and a gullible crowd.

Don't believe me? Moonies, Scientology, Mormons, Buddhists, Branch Davidians, Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God, Aum Shinrikyo, Children of God, Order of the Solar Temple, People’s Temple, Heaven’s Gate.

Add a Pharaoh, Emperor, or King into the mix. And it gains ground. Some of these fell flat because they didn't have Royal patronage. Imagine their power if they had of had that.

Of course to the believers, I don't mean your branch of your religion, it's only the others that are wrong.

Man evolved from creation, but we were betrayed by Lucifer, the first great atheist. Revelation occurs but God doesn't interfere with the evolution of wisdom.

 

[paulm50]

I take it you don't believe in verbal plenary inspiration, either, do you?

I assume you can prove it happened in this case.

After reading more on Isaiah, it's clear he was a person upset about how Jews had strayed from his idea of the Judaism, so much like Jesus.

He wrongly foretold the destruction of the Jews, then the coming of a Messiah to save them. Which would bring a bright future for them. Why you're posting about a Jewish prophet writing about Jews. Is a strange one for me. http://executableoutlines.com/isa/isa_01.htm

Seems he was another false prophet.

 

[paulm50]

Man evolved from creation, but we were betrayed by Lucifer, the first great atheist. Revelation occurs but God doesn't interfere with the evolution of wisdom.

Prove it. Or 5% of that.

If the bible is right, god betrayed Man. One doesn't create temptation, and give people free will. Without taking the blame for things when they go wrong. It's a nice story and another way to tell women it's all their fault, but nothing more.

 

[Loudmouth]

Prove it. Or 5% of that.

If the bible is right, god betrayed Man. One doesn't create temptation, and give people free will. Without taking the blame for things when they go wrong. It's a nice story and another way to tell women it's all their fault, but nothing more.

It's like putting a 3 year old child in a room with rat poison all over the floor, and acting surprised when something bad happens.

 

[paulm50]

It's like putting a 3 year old child in a room with rat poison all over the floor, and acting surprised when something bad happens.

The most amazing part is god didn't already know what would happen.

Less amazing is he let satan get involved.

Even less amazing is he was upset when it went pear shaped.

Not amazing at all is he blames Eve.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's like putting a 3 year old child in a room with rat poison all over the floor, and acting surprised when something bad happens.

Not hardly.

The Fall was their fault.

Adam & Eve were not created with the memes of a 3 year old child.

They were created mature, but without a history.

 

[paulm50]

Not hardly.

The Fall was their fault.

Adam & Eve were not created with the memes of a 3 year old child.

They were created mature, but without a history.

So god knew they would eat the apple. Or he didn't know and just to find out, devised a test. Or did he allow satan to do it for him?

 

[AV1611VET]

So god knew they would eat the apple. Or he didn't know and just to find out, devised a test. Or did he allow satan to do it for him?

Whatever it was they did, they were responsible for.

Not as three-year-old children; but as mature adults.

No one held a gun to their heads.

 

[paulm50]

Whatever it was they did, they were responsible for.

Not as three-year-old children; but as mature adults.

No one held a gun to their heads.

And god bears more responsibility. After all he's an all knowing all powerful wise god. He has to know after giving us free will and giving us temptation to use it. The result would be a disaster.

Or are you saying he didn't know?

 

[asherahSamaria]

Man evolved from creation, but we were betrayed by Lucifer, the first great atheist. Revelation occurs but God doesn't interfere with the evolution of wisdom.

Eh? so you are saying that Lucifer didn't believe in the existence of God?

 

[AV1611VET]

And god bears more responsibility.

Right now the focus is on Adam & Eve's state of maturity at the time of the Fall.

I want to make it clear that they were mature adults.

The fact that they were held responsible for their actions shows that God created them as such.

I define Embedded Age Creation as "maturity without history," and this supports my definition.