***Creationists Only*** - Theory on Evolution

[vossler]

Vossler,

I think this was a good theory. I definitely believe that satan is a part of the equation in that he has lied to some people who have accepted and continued the lie of evolution and TE. However, what it does come down to is "You shall have no other gods before me." (Ex 20:3, ESV) What the TEs are doing is making a god to form their idea of what they want God to be. They end up committing idolity thus breaking this commandment.

Agree, anytime you allow something outside of Scripture to supersede it you've made yourself an idol.

 

[Van]

If the reason given for those who do not accept a literal interpretation of Genesis 1 is a lack of faith, then it does seem to me to be an attack upon the character of those who view Genesis 1 differently. "If they did not lack faith, they would be six day creationists." But as I said, perhaps I missed something.

In the same vein, if we say those dreaded TE's are idolaters because they put scientific theories before God's word, that too would seem to me to be an ad homenim argument.

And please note, I am not saying theistic evolution requires more faith or less faith than 6 24 hour day creationalism, but I am trying to say, perhaps poorly, that to say any theory except 6 day creationalism flows from a lack of faith in God seems like an ad homenim to me.

 

[pastorkevin73]

If the reason given for those who do not accept a literal interpretation of Genesis 1 is a lack of faith, then it does seem to me to be an attack upon the character of those who view Genesis 1 differently. "If they did not lack faith, they would be six day creationists." But as I said, perhaps I missed something.

In the same vein, if we say those dreaded TE's are idolaters because they put scientific theories before God's word, that too would seem to me to be an ad homenim argument.

And please note, I am not saying theistic evolution requires more faith or less faith than 6 24 hour day creationalism, but I am trying to say, perhaps poorly, that to say any theory except 6 day creationalism flows from a lack of faith in God seems like an ad homenim to me.

TE's are not idolaters because they do not read Genesis the say way creationist do. They are idolaters because they are defining God in their terms rather than what the Bible shows God to be. Some TEs will go so far to say that the Scriptures are not the Word of God. The Bible is the revealed Word of God. We do not define God; God defines God. What we must do is submit to the Holy Spirit's guidance because His role to to lead us in all truth. He will remind us all of what Jesus taught. The Bible is the standard, not our own ideas of God.

 

[Van]

I am not sure it is appropriate to tarnish all theistic evolutionists with the charge they do not believe Genesis 1 is the inspired Word of God, profitable for instruction, a reliable and trustworthy statement of truth. Maybe some do. But if many accept Genesis as the inspired word, but understand its meaning differently, I do not think we can say their different view flows from a lack of faith, or a lack of belief in the God of the Bible, Yahweh, Creator, All powerful, who put the stars in the heavens, the planets in orbit, and created and formed everything else in heaven and earth. They just believe God did it differently than we might. Remember Job 38 teaches we do not know exactly how God did it.

 

[Mallon]

They are idolaters because they are defining God in their terms rather than what the Bible shows God to be.

Could you please elaborate on what you mean here, pastorkevin? Maybe you could explain further in the TE or OT forum so that we can have a fair chance to address your concerns.

 

[busterdog]

I am not sure it is appropriate to tarnish all theistic evolutionists with the charge they do not believe Genesis 1 is the inspired Word of God, profitable for instruction, a reliable and trustworthy statement of truth. Maybe some do. But if many accept Genesis as the inspired word, but understand its meaning differently, I do not think we can say their different view flows from a lack of faith, or a lack of belief in the God of the Bible, Yahweh, Creator, All powerful, who put the stars in the heavens, the planets in orbit, and created and formed everything else in heaven and earth. They just believe God did it differently than we might. Remember Job 38 teaches we do not know exactly how God did it.

I think it is appropriate. We are all tarnished. Vossler is just putting his finger on the particular tarnish of a TE rejection of the literal Word. In fact, I see no real difference between saying "TEs reject the literal Word" and "TEs rejection of the literal Word is idolatrous." Idolatry is a reasonable theological concept. YECs have their own types of idolatry. Mere politeness is not the object. There really isnt a better Word than "idolatry" for "idolatry." "Idiotic idoltary" would be inappropriate.

That being said, I dont like it when YECs are said to be idolatrous with respect to the Word itself. I might have lost my temper on that once or twice. But, its an intractible issue.

 

[Van]

I think all of us accept that some accounts in God's word are made up stories to illustrate a spiritual truth. God is spirit so references to God's eyes are everywhere does not seem literal to me but figurative, He knows what is going on everywhere as if He had eyes everywhere. So to say when I do it it is ok but when someone does it where I do not, they are being isolators seems a tad self serving. But maybe its only me. But I am sure of this, when we bash each other, disparage each other, we hinder greater understanding of God's truth, generating more heat than light. God Bless

 

[pastorkevin73]

I am not sure it is appropriate to tarnish all theistic evolutionists with the charge they do not believe Genesis 1 is the inspired Word of God, profitable for instruction, a reliable and trustworthy statement of truth. Maybe some do. But if many accept Genesis as the inspired word, but understand its meaning differently, I do not think we can say their different view flows from a lack of faith, or a lack of belief in the God of the Bible, Yahweh, Creator, All powerful, who put the stars in the heavens, the planets in orbit, and created and formed everything else in heaven and earth. They just believe God did it differently than we might. Remember Job 38 teaches we do not know exactly how God did it.

Genesis does say exactly how He did it. In verse 3, 6, 9, 11, 14, 20, 24, 26 is says, "And God said, “Let there..." or "Let the..." God spoke and BANG (lol) it happened.

 

[mark kennedy]

Agree, anytime you allow something outside of Scripture to supersede it you've made yourself an idol.

Not to put too fine a point on it, I would say whenever you attribute to nature what is rightfully attributed to God it's pagan.

When on high the heaven had not been named,
Firm ground below had not been called by name,
Naught but the primordial Apsir, their begetter.
And Mutmmu and Tiamat, she who bore them all.
Their waters commingling as a single body
No reed hut had been matted, no marsh land had appeared.
When no gods whatever had been brought into being,
Uncalled by name their destines undetermined
Then it was that the gods were formed within them. (Enuma elish la nabu shananu, taken from Ancient Iraq by Georges Roux)​

Notice the elementals created the gods. This is not unlike Darwin's warm little pond. By the way, I don't know if you remember the Cornell University survey of evolutionists but I can't find the website where the details were broken down. I was wondering if by chance you still had the link.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[Pepsigoalgirl]

How do you prove it exists, just curious.