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Creationists: How exactly did the fall of man change biological organisms?
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<blockquote data-quote="SelfSim" data-source="post: 76115398" data-attributes="member: 354922"><p>Photons, in scientific thinking, are demonstrably, testable models.</p><p></p><p>'Something else' can include anything imaginable, which, by definition, would include beliefs, spiritual and supernatural experiences .. It appears that's where logic just took you there, but I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant - a photon is currently viewed as a quantum, which is yet another well-tested scientific model.</p><p></p><p>Logic might 'point' to other ways of thinking around a problem, (like how to think of a photon), but science establishes the models for <u><em>realising</em></u> the 'something elses' and never deals in untestable beliefs. (I hope we might agree on that .. which would then demonstrate how science creates consensus, whereas philosophical logic also has to do other fancy pirouettes around beliefs and word salads, which is a way more difficult task to succeed in).</p><p></p><p>(Apologies for the slight diversion there, but I think its worthy of a highlight footnote post designation?)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SelfSim, post: 76115398, member: 354922"] Photons, in scientific thinking, are demonstrably, testable models. 'Something else' can include anything imaginable, which, by definition, would include beliefs, spiritual and supernatural experiences .. It appears that's where logic just took you there, but I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant - a photon is currently viewed as a quantum, which is yet another well-tested scientific model. Logic might 'point' to other ways of thinking around a problem, (like how to think of a photon), but science establishes the models for [U][I]realising[/I][/U] the 'something elses' and never deals in untestable beliefs. (I hope we might agree on that .. which would then demonstrate how science creates consensus, whereas philosophical logic also has to do other fancy pirouettes around beliefs and word salads, which is a way more difficult task to succeed in). (Apologies for the slight diversion there, but I think its worthy of a highlight footnote post designation?) [/QUOTE]
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