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Then explain it to me. How does one give the spiritual "a chance"? What exactly are you referring to?
You said consciousness isn't at all rational, yet you were, presumably, conscious and rational when you wrote that.
What part is self-contradictory? Maybe we can clear it up.
Not rational, experiential.And the rest of the time?
Is that what they call it? And what kind of spiritual perspective is it - 'relating to deep feelings and beliefs' or 'concerned with religious values, supernatural beings, or phenomena'?When looking at trees, plants and life in general, Native Americans don't relate to any of that as nouns. Rather they experience it all as verbs. Its a spiritual perspective for them.
First science doesn't explain everything. It doesn't even know why everything exists. All it says is how some pieces function. So yes it can be both, given how little we actually know.So you are suggesting that the explanation is both that it is a completely rational and evidence based naturalistic process, and AT THE SAME EXACT TIME it is supernatural and scientifically inexplicable?
Science does not explain everything. No one claimed that. But your bit about the supernatural is just nonsense. The problem with the supernatural is that it is just an excuse that some use when they do not understand something. It fails at being an explanation and is dropped when one does understand how an event occurred.First science doesn't explain everything. It doesn't even know why everything exists. All it says is how some pieces function. So yes it can be both, given how little we actually know.
Nothing created everything for no reason? Boring!
I just explained why.
And order doesn't create itself out of chaos.
Now or ever. It takes intention to create order.
As @pitabread pointed out a mere snowflake refutes your claim. Creationists do not understand "order" at least as far as the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics goes. The universe began as a very ordered body and its order has continually decreased since then.I just explained why.
And order doesn't create itself out of chaos.
Now or ever. It takes intention to create order.
Life is worth living. It is not pointless to me. Why invent something that creates an imaginary purpose?What exactly is interesting about nothing creating everything for no reason?
It's all pointless.
What exactly is interesting about nothing creating everything for no reason?
It's all pointless.
I couldn't disagree more, snow, the seasons even biological behavior all come from chaos. Chaos develops into order all the time the process is spiritual to me.I just explained why.
And order doesn't create itself out of chaos.
Now or ever. It takes intention to create order.
If you find the universe so boring it is not surprising that you are so ignorant of what we have discovered so far about how it works. Our knowledge is increasing rapidly, almost exponetially. This is an incredibly interesting time to be alive. And yet you find nothing interesting and the subjects of our interest to be pointless. I feel sorry for you.What exactly is interesting about nothing creating everything for no reason?
It's all pointless.
You expect the universe to be interesting just for you? Some hubris.Nothing created everything for no reason? Boring!
Which fits with the biblical narrative. What is disorderly about snow? It requires certain conditions to form, obviously.As @pitabread pointed out a mere snowflake refutes your claim. Creationists do not understand "order" at least as far as the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics goes. The universe began as a very ordered body and its order has continually decreased since then.
Yes, because there's a point to it!1) I don't think it's pointless.
2) We don't have the universe figured out, so there is lots to learn and discover. Discovering things and learning is interesting to me. Is that not interesting to you?
The spiritual isn't rational. It's something that's "experienced". Bold, underlined and in quotation marks for emphasis. Maybe I should use caps as well? Experiencing Love isn't rational, as an example. There's no way that rational evidence can describe Love. The knowledge gained of Love has to be experienced to be known. Not everything in the Human experience is rational. In fact I suspect that very little is.It is not rational evidence. It is almost always mere confirmation bias.
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