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When Adam and Eve took the Apple , they developed Testosterone in their systems and became like the Animals instead of becoming like the Angels. That is why God told them to go forth and Multiply.Ge 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth [upon] the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
I don't see the connection between that and the request made in the Opening Post. Is there one?When Adam and Eve took the Apple , they developed Testosterone in their systems and became like the Animals instead of becoming like the Angels. That is why God told them to go forth and Multiply.
When Adam and Eve took the Apple , they developed Testosterone in their systems and became like the Animals instead of becoming like the Angels. That is why God told them to go forth and Multiply.
Genesis 9 is Noah, not AdamWhen Adam and Eve took the Apple , they developed Testosterone in their systems and became like the Animals instead of becoming like the Angels. That is why God told them to go forth and Multiply.
Reading this, I get a picture of an old guy on a porch swing, saying, "Yes sir, I was raised atheist, in a non-God fearing home, indeed I was. I remember my momma used to wag her finger at me and say, "Thomas, you be a good atheist now, and don't go believin' in any o'them there gods, y'hear?" "Yes, mamma.". Heh, heh, and mealtimes, we'd not bow our heads and not say grace over the food; not thanking the Lord for his bounty... And then, once a week on a Sunday morning, we'd get up early and not dress smart, and then we wouldn't go to church to not listen to the sermon and not sing hymns... it wasn't fundamentalist atheism, but it was pretty strict, I can tell ya!"I was raised atheist...
how about just a short necked Giraffe (which was an ancestor)? that would be a good place to start- I'm sure that's not hard to find
Hm, a short necked giraffe:
Fossils of ancient giraffes discovered in Spain show some unexpected features
Imagine that, science learning new stuff.Hm, a short necked giraffe:
Fossils of ancient giraffes discovered in Spain show some unexpected features
It is almost as if one can find things out when they actually try! Nice finds!Oh, here's another.
Samotherium - Wikipedia
Oh wow, this is a genus of 5 different short necked species of prehistoric giraffe.
Personally, I never buy these sorts of stories. I have known a few people who have made such claims personally, and over time, I discovered that their claims were basically 'witnessing.' And this goes for some of the 'professional' types - the one that comes to mind (that I can remember by name) is Steve Austin, YEC geologist, who claimed to have been an old earth evolutionist (and therefore, atheist) until after the Mt. St. Helens eruption, where he did some research and suddenly became a biblically literalist YEC. Seems too good to be true? That's because it isn't. He was 'outed' (by YEC Walt Brown) for writing YEC articles for at least 4 years prior to the eruption under the pseudonym Stuart Nevins (clever!).Reading this, I get a picture of an old guy on a porch swing, saying, "Yes sir, I was raised atheist, in a non-God fearing home, indeed I was. I remember my momma used to wag her finger at me and say, "Thomas, you be a good atheist now, and don't go believin' in any o'them there gods, y'hear?" "Yes, mamma.". Heh, heh, and mealtimes, we'd not bow our heads and not say grace over the food; not thanking the Lord for his bounty... And then, once a week on a Sunday morning, we'd get up early and not dress smart, and then we wouldn't go to church to not listen to the sermon and not sing hymns... it wasn't fundamentalist atheism, but it was pretty strict, I can tell ya!"
You mean the man-made ones that people make? Are you saying that the "information" in DNA is man-made?It's not that we don't know how hierarchical digital information systems can be originated
Who is "we"?We just have no idea how they could be achieved by chance through natural mechanisms
Again I was raised atheist and remained so for about 30 years, I understand the intellectual gratification of reducing reality to a handful of immutable laws- as was held for physics for so long
the 'wishful thinking' argument cuts both ways- I'm interested in what actually happened- whatever the implications
how about just a short necked Giraffe (which was an ancestor)? that would be a good place to start- I'm sure that's not hard to find
Which is more supernatural, a rabbit spontaneously appearing in a hat for no particular reason?
Or simply being put there by a 'magic man'?
Though I think we have some room for common ground, there are other alternatives
The philosophy of Humanism is fairly well distinguished though. (See here).Atheism doesn't really have a clear philosophy on life. Something to collectively motivates people in life through ups and downs, together as a "church". It doesn't have a philosophy that makes efforts for cohesion of people.
The philosophy of Humanism is fairly well distinguished though. (See here).
Though Christians can be humanists too and atheists aren't necessarily humanist.
Maybe humanism should make efforts to grow into a church.
But I just don't know if humanism (without religion) could accomplish the goals, or cover the ground that christian church's have.
In a church for example, I might see Joe Smith and his family donate to a missionary project that, say, builds a school for children in Ghana (I use the country Ghana just because a lot of missionary projects unfold them African countries that don't have funds for schools).
What would this look like for a church of humanism? What would it take for humanists to grow and to conduct such activities on a large scale as established religions do?
I think I would wonder what would effectively band humanists together to accomplish large scale tasks. Religions historically have influenced literally armies and governments. Can humanism do the same?
And, I wonder if religion has already essentially claimed humanism. If we read through Corinthians, Ephesians and Romans for example, the language is...it's about as humanistic as it gets.
Hm.
I agree that atheists don't have to declare themselves as Humanists.Though Christians can be humanists too and atheists aren't necessarily humanist.
For what its worth, my meaning of 'Humanism' is simply the conclusion science leaves behind after looking at objective evidence. There is no belief in my version of Humanism and thus, it is most certainly not a religious belief for me.Isaiah said:Maybe humanism should make efforts to grow into a church.
But I just don't know if humanism (without religion) could accomplish the goals, or cover the ground that christian church's have.
Its easy to declare oneself as being human though .. no churches required to do that .. (maybe just a glimpse in a mirror gives sufficient reason thereSometimes I think that I've been fortunate to find a church that reflects some of my core values and so it's easy for me to become a part of.
But for people who are not religious or part of a church, it's tough because the opportunities that churches offer aren't always readily available outside of the church. And people who aren't theists May not want to sign their life away in order to be a part of these opportunities.
Thinks on*
Quite; I thought I'd make the point satiricallyPersonally, I never buy these sorts of stories. I have known a few people who have made such claims personally, and over time, I discovered that their claims were basically 'witnessing.' And this goes for some of the 'professional' types - the one that comes to mind (that I can remember by name) is Steve Austin, YEC geologist, who claimed to have been an old earth evolutionist (and therefore, atheist) until after the Mt. St. Helens eruption, where he did some research and suddenly became a biblically literalist YEC. Seems too good to be true? That's because it isn't. He was 'outed' (by YEC Walt Brown) for writing YEC articles for at least 4 years prior to the eruption under the pseudonym Stuart Nevins (clever!).
I suspect most atheists would say, "We don't know!". Whatever your belief or lack of it, sooner or later you reach brute fact, e.g. "Why does God exist?"... as I can tell, there doesn't appear to be an answer from atheists for why the universe has the apparent order that it does that hosts life.
That's because atheism is just a lack of belief in a god or gods. I suspect most atheists have some kind of philosophy of life, but that's an individual decision.Atheism doesn't really have a clear philosophy on life.
Atheists are members of clubs, societies, charities, all kinds of groups, depending on their interests and affiliations. Some atheists have tried a 'semi-religious' approach with all the social trimmings of religion, e.g. weekly 'church' meet-ups, but AIUI, it hasn't really caught on significantly.Something to collectively motivates people in life through ups and downs, together as a "church". It doesn't have a philosophy that makes efforts for cohesion of people.
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