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This is Completely Unacceptable! I'm afraid we are going to have to take your God-Hating Atheistic Naturalistic Evolutionist membership card away for this!Ondoher said:
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This is Completely Unacceptable! I'm afraid we are going to have to take your God-Hating Atheistic Naturalistic Evolutionist membership card away for this!Ondoher said:[/b]
Since I assumed this is aimed at all atheists, I'll ask you to be specific about which parts of my life are being lived wrong. Is it that I've been married to the same woman for 12 years? Is it that I've only ever made love with this one woman? Is it that I don't drink, smoke or do drugs? Is it that I pay my taxes, and work hard, and provide for my wife and daughter? Which part of my life is lived wrong?
Because you don't believe in God and accept Christ's sacrifice. Duh...Ondoher said:Since I assumed this is aimed at all atheists, I'll ask you to be specific about which parts of my life are being lived wrong. Is it that I've been married to the same woman for 12 years? Is it that I've only ever made love with this one woman? Is it that I don't drink, smoke or do drugs? Is it that I pay my taxes, and work hard, and provide for my wife and daughter? Which part of my life is lived wrong?
bluejeans said:When you denie God,you denie the purpose and meaning of life. God gave
us a reason to live. He made us to have a relationship with him and with
others. He wants us to live forever.
ipse dixit.bluejeans said:When you denie God[sic],you denie[sic] the purpose and meaning of life. God gave
us a reason to live. He made us to have a relationship with him and with
others. He wants us to live forever.
Evolution is a study at God's work. I fail to see where anyone of us is judging you.bluejeans said:When do we see the intelligence light up this forum?
Whoever wishes to believe in evolution,let them,but
it's wrong to judge other people who don't accept it.,and
trust me,I don't.
I have been looking for signs of a serious discussion taking place
but I haven't seen it yet so far.
It's Deny.bluejeans said:When you denie God,you denie the purpose and meaning of life. God gave
us a reason to live. He made us to have a relationship with him and with
others. He wants us to live forever.
Show me.bluejeans said:When you denie God,you denie the purpose and meaning of life. God gave
us a reason to live. He made us to have a relationship with him and with
others. He wants us to live forever.
You are certainly NOT contributing to a "serious discussion."bluejeans[b said:I have been looking for signs of a serious discussion taking place[/b]
but I haven't seen it yet so far.
Rowell said:Hmm. Guess I'll be the first Christian to tackle this one. Note I'm by no means an expert, but a hobbiest. This is my second post on the website too! Woo.
Well, obviously around this time these people lived a long time (Methusala got to around 900 something, right?) Can't exactly remember if it was before or after the flood that the book says God shortened man's lifespan to 120 years, but that solves your time issue either way.
Secondly, its safe to assume that the genetic diversity was still rather prominant in the Ark's occupants (unless you believe there was an asian on the Ark, or that Ham was actually black, or something of the like). Adam and Eve's population of the planet with so many different races is due to the fact that these first animals had a gene pool that we couldn't begin to fathom, and that all the races of the world may even have been combined into this proto-humanity race of perfection. In either case, 8 occupants had enough time, and enough genes, to produce many children, who could then even breed with siblings (once again, big gene pool here), but didn't necesarily have to with the others. Even now, it takes 10 generations of inbreeding to result in some sort of deficiency in the gene pool, so it's obvious that these remaining occupants would have no problem.
Of course I'm not going to get into the geneology of mankind since Noah or something, but there's a relatively adequate explaination from a mere hobbiest.
Happy ... umm ... evolutionisting!
It's easy.I have another question for the creationists in the forum (by "creationists" I mean the people who are Biblical literalists).
If you take the account of the Flood in the Book of Genesis as literal (ie, global flood with the only survivors being in Noah's Ark), how do you explain the Earth's repopulation and current human diversity starting with a population of 8 (related) people roughly 4400 years ago?
Your explanation must respect the current archaeological evidence pertaining to this period.
It's easy.
Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
When God blesses someone with fruitfulness ... well ... even Octomom would be envious.
As I understand it, the "current archaeological evidence pertaining to this period" is severely lacking.
It only points to a local flood.
The global evidence has evidently been removed elsewhere.
You do need a calculator for this.
Three couples; Shem, Ham, and Japheth, and their wives each produce one child per year for 10 years. When the youngest reaches the marriageable age of 20, a full breeding cycle of 30 years begins. At end of the first 30 years the population is 30, a multiple of 5x the original number of people.
Year 1= 6 people.
Year 30....30 people, or 5x growth each 30 year cycle. This multiplier remains constant for each breeding cycle thereafter, so,
Year 60=150 people
Year 90=750
Year110=3750
Year140=18750
Year 170=93750
Year 200=468,750
Year 230=2,343,750
Year 260=11,187,750
Year 290=58,593,750
and so on.
These numbers are also cumulative as the preceding three generations would still be alive if 90 years was the average age of death. So in my calculations the actual population 290 years after the flood would be,
2,343,750
11,187,750
58,593,750
72,125,250
Problem solved.
NeptunePluto?
I think you are forgetting the diversity part of the question. How do you get that from eight people, most of which will closely related family members (even worse)?
Only Noah was "perfect in his generations" (genealogy?). His wife and sons as well as their wives didn't share this 'perfection'. Recall that much later Rebecca gave birth to "two manner of people", Jacob and Esau. That difference was very physical as well as spiritual. Genesis is the history of "beginnings", which certainly can imply the beginnings of human diversity.
You do need a calculator for this.
Three couples; Shem, Ham, and Japheth, and their wives each produce one child per year for 10 years. When the youngest reaches the marriageable age of 20, a full breeding cycle of 30 years begins. At end of the first 30 years the population is 30, a multiple of 5x the original number of people.
Year 1= 6 people.
Year 30....30 people, or 5x growth each 30 year cycle. This multiplier remains constant for each breeding cycle thereafter, so,
Year 60=150 people
Year 90=750
Year110=3750
Year140=18750
Year 170=93750
Year 200=468,750
Year 230=2,343,750
Year 260=11,187,750
Year 290=58,593,750
and so on.
These numbers are also cumulative as the preceding three generations would still be alive if 90 years was the average age of death. So in my calculations the actual population 290 years after the flood would be,
2,343,750
11,187,750
58,593,750
72,125,250
Problem solved.
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