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Please don't tell me this is the first time you've seen me say what I said.
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Please don't tell me this is the first time you've seen me say what I said.Interesting claim that there is no logic to theology. False, but interesting.
Really? Try it.
Completely illogical. Since Noah lived in Siberia, all of the animals between Siberia and Turkey had to come to Noah to avoid being drowned. There were no other animals or people anywhere else in the world.Then your post can take a hike.
Noah wouldn't have needed an Ark at all.
Those leaving the flood area to board it would already have moved to safety.
Yes, I have never seen you claim that there is no logic to theology.Please don't tell me this is the first time you've seen me say what I said.
Please don't try to change the conditions after agreeing to them. Why do I have to build the road and why do I have to draw the map?Sure.
You build a road that leads right up to a mountain first.
Then draw a map that shows that mountain not there.
There is no such thing as a perfect state for a genome. Remain static and face eventual extinction in a changing environment you cannot change with; change and potentially produce genetic diseases, there is no means by which the genome can be perfect when it has to exist in an imperfect environment.
Additionally, mutation does not degrade our genome exclusively, although it is thanks to mutations that made certain genes not work which promoted our brain growth and allowed our skulls to be a shape that wouldn't impede it.
The rest of your initial statement is just flat out wrong; we have seen bacteria develop the ability to digest materials that are completely man-made and have existed for less than 200 years, that is something new. Have your genome looked at, you have 50-60 mutations your parents don't, some invariably will be additions, not just deletions. Most will have no impact at all. But we have observed it so much that you might as well be saying 2+2= sandwich and expect people to take you seriously.
-_- mutation, what are these "laws of impossibility" you speak of? BTW, Mendel had no idea about mutation, you cannot expect to understand modern science with out of date information. Mendel only dealt with pea plants for a certain number of generations, the absolute most simple means of observing how traits are inherited, not how they arise.
Negatory, you are reading one little piece and making your own conclusions.
I want a statement of an actual scientist saying that.
There is no such thing as a perfect state for a genome. Remain static and face eventual extinction in a changing environment you cannot change with; change and potentially produce genetic diseases, there is no means by which the genome can be perfect when it has to exist in an imperfect environment.
Additionally, mutation does not degrade our genome exclusively, although it is thanks to mutations that made certain genes not work which promoted our brain growth and allowed our skulls to be a shape that wouldn't impede it.
The rest of your initial statement is just flat out wrong; we have seen bacteria develop the ability to digest materials that are completely man-made and have existed for less than 200 years, that is something new. Have your genome looked at, you have 50-60 mutations your parents don't, some invariably will be additions, not just deletions. Most will have no impact at all. But we have observed it so much that you might as well be saying 2+2= sandwich and expect people to take you seriously.
-_- mutation, what are these "laws of impossibility" you speak of? BTW, Mendel had no idea about mutation, you cannot expect to understand modern science with out of date information. Mendel only dealt with pea plants for a certain number of generations, the absolute most simple means of observing how traits are inherited, not how they arise.
Negatory, you are reading one little piece and making your own conclusions.
I want a statement of an actual scientist saying that.
There is no such thing as a perfect state for a genome. Remain static and face eventual extinction in a changing environment you cannot change with; change and potentially produce genetic diseases, there is no means by which the genome can be perfect when it has to exist in an imperfect environment.
Additionally, mutation does not degrade our genome exclusively, although it is thanks to mutations that made certain genes not work which promoted our brain growth and allowed our skulls to be a shape that wouldn't impede it.
The rest of your initial statement is just flat out wrong; we have seen bacteria develop the ability to digest materials that are completely man-made and have existed for less than 200 years, that is something new. Have your genome looked at, you have 50-60 mutations your parents don't, some invariably will be additions, not just deletions. Most will have no impact at all. But we have observed it so much that you might as well be saying 2+2= sandwich and expect people to take you seriously.
-_- mutation, what are these "laws of impossibility" you speak of? BTW, Mendel had no idea about mutation, you cannot expect to understand modern science with out of date information. Mendel only dealt with pea plants for a certain number of generations, the absolute most simple means of observing how traits are inherited, not how they arise.
Negatory, you are reading one little piece and making your own conclusions.
I want a statement of an actual scientist saying that.
Please don't try to change the conditions after agreeing to them. Why do I have to build the road and why do I have to draw the map?
If you can move the mountain via faith, why does it matter who builds roads or who drew the map?
Sure go for it.
In fact, I wish my brothers & sisters would just stop demanding evidence for anything ... but it's certainly their prerogative to do so.
That map logic just doesn't cut it, does it?
Especially in these days of GPS navigation.
Now show us a baboo from Noah's day with rings and you may have something! Talk about a cheap canard.I did. I showed an example of bamboo which grows in weeks yet has no rings. No mature tree ("fruit-bearing") lacks rings.
Yes. It is. As far as the bible goes it is evidence. There is no evidence for fast or slow evolution in Noah's day from science that I have heard of. So you have nothing, I have God's word for it.Is not evidence for rapid evolution.
Irrelevant as to what now is any process. The issue is before. You do not know. Let the lurkers take clear note.All of science opposes it by showing that evolution is a slow process.
You seem to conveniently forget that all post-Flood evolution happened in the present state.
Science is faith in all issues regarding the creation debate. Faith and false prophesy and godless dreaming inspired by Satan.While you appeal to faith in your own imagination.
There are lots of times when the reality of the world does not match that of GPS. When I take my daughter to summer Bible camp, if I follow the GPS, I end up in the wrong place. Which one is wrong, the world or the GPS?That map logic just doesn't cut it, does it?
Especially in these days of GPS navigation.
Oh my sweet baboo, why would bamboo from Noah's day have rings? And if it did, that might actually be evidence for your position, not mine.Now show us a baboo from Noah's day with rings and you may have something! Talk about a cheap canard.
Last time I checked this is the physical and life sciences forum, sub-forum creation and evolution. The Bible is not evidence for anything in science. Stop abusing Scripture.Yes. It is. As far as the bible goes it is evidence. There is no evidence for fast or slow evolution in Noah's day from science that I have heard of. So you have nothing, I have God's word for it.
Yes, lurkers, please take note that dad has offered absolutely nothing in the way of scientific evidence for his ridiculous claims.Irrelevant as to what now is any process. The issue is before. You do not know. Let the lurkers take clear note.
Sorry I have trouble keeping your imaginary timeline straight. Let me correct my statement.No. Peleg's day was long after the flood. No one but no one lived more than a Peleg length life span after Peleg that I recall! It was in his day that the earth was split.
Then why do espouse your false prophecy and Satan inspired godless dreaming here?Science is faith in all issues regarding the creation debate. Faith and false prophesy and godless dreaming inspired by Satan.
So - the flood didn't really kill everyone except those on the ark?
No. Peleg's day was long after the flood. No one but no one lived more than a Peleg length life span after Peleg that I recall! It was in his day that the earth was split.
A perfect genome would have no mutations.
What you mean to say is that genomes we observe today are not perfect after thousands of years of mutation and degradation of the genome.
And you ignore the selection limits reached in every actual breeding program - as if they never happened.
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