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Creationists and atheists agree there is no such thing as evolution primer-fertilizer
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<blockquote data-quote="BobRyan" data-source="post: 75690790" data-attributes="member: 235244"><p>Creationists and atheists all agree that at one time the earth was a barren planet with absolutely no life on it - - and of course today it does have life on it.</p><p></p><p>Creationists will say that an infinitely capable Creator created all life on land in a single evening-and-morning on day six of creation week.</p><p></p><p>Atheists will claim rocks alone did all that over billions of years rocks-to-horse etc as the two end points (for example)</p><p></p><p>So then "some differences" exist at that point but not on the starting condition.</p><p></p><p>================================ agreement #2.</p><p></p><p>But we also agree that there is no such thing as "evolution primer-fertilizer" that one could add tot rocks to make them pop-out life or that one could add to prokaryote cultures to make them pop-out eukaryotes.</p><p></p><p>Stanley Miller: " People often say maybe some of the <strong><u>special compounds</u></strong> came in from space, <strong><u>but they never say which ones</u></strong>. If you can make these chemicals in the conditions of cosmic dust or a meteorite, I presume you could also make them on the Earth. I think <u><span style="color: #ff0000">the idea that you need some special unnamed compound </span>from space is <strong>hard to suppor</strong>t</u>."</p><p></p><p>But "if there were" such a thing and it was reliable then any time you "add evolution primer" to the culture dish and the prokaryotes did not pop-out eukaryotes you could call that a "fail" of the primer.</p><p></p><p>And what is more - any time you did not intentionally add the "evolution fertilizer" but the prokaryotes did pop-out eukaryotes over time you might suppose that the experiment was "contaminated" by some stray bits of evolution-fertilizer getting into the experiment.</p><p></p><p>==============================</p><p></p><p>Fortunately there is no such thing as evolutiton-fertilizer or primer so that sort of fail scenario is nothing to worry about.</p><p></p><p>Hopefully all can agree.</p><p></p><p>============= and no such thing as evolution limited by "intent"</p><p></p><p>Not only is there no such thing as evolution-fertilizer but there is also no such thing as " evolution-limited-by-intent-of-observer passively watching" since the observer never had evolution-fertilizer to start with.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BobRyan, post: 75690790, member: 235244"] Creationists and atheists all agree that at one time the earth was a barren planet with absolutely no life on it - - and of course today it does have life on it. Creationists will say that an infinitely capable Creator created all life on land in a single evening-and-morning on day six of creation week. Atheists will claim rocks alone did all that over billions of years rocks-to-horse etc as the two end points (for example) So then "some differences" exist at that point but not on the starting condition. ================================ agreement #2. But we also agree that there is no such thing as "evolution primer-fertilizer" that one could add tot rocks to make them pop-out life or that one could add to prokaryote cultures to make them pop-out eukaryotes. Stanley Miller: " People often say maybe some of the [B][U]special compounds[/U][/B] came in from space, [B][U]but they never say which ones[/U][/B]. If you can make these chemicals in the conditions of cosmic dust or a meteorite, I presume you could also make them on the Earth. I think[COLOR=#ff0000] [/COLOR][U][COLOR=#ff0000]the idea that you need some special unnamed compound [/COLOR]from space is [B]hard to suppor[/B]t[/U]." But "if there were" such a thing and it was reliable then any time you "add evolution primer" to the culture dish and the prokaryotes did not pop-out eukaryotes you could call that a "fail" of the primer. And what is more - any time you did not intentionally add the "evolution fertilizer" but the prokaryotes did pop-out eukaryotes over time you might suppose that the experiment was "contaminated" by some stray bits of evolution-fertilizer getting into the experiment. ============================== Fortunately there is no such thing as evolutiton-fertilizer or primer so that sort of fail scenario is nothing to worry about. Hopefully all can agree. ============= and no such thing as evolution limited by "intent" Not only is there no such thing as evolution-fertilizer but there is also no such thing as " evolution-limited-by-intent-of-observer passively watching" since the observer never had evolution-fertilizer to start with. [/QUOTE]
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