Creationist Resources?

[nolidad]

Could I kindly suggest get plenty of sleep and pray the Lord's Prayer each day?

As many, perhaps hundreds here already know, I believe in all of the Old Testament, and all the miracles.

We should be able to believe God made the Universe in the amazing way it is, as we can see it, vast and wonderous.

We should not lack faith or want the Universe to be simpler in order to be able to believe God made it.

It's His. Vast, complex, ancient, amazing. Our God is that amazing.

What we see -- the vast and old Universe -- fits perfectly to scripture.

Have you read 1 Corinthians 8 NIV
and if so, or once you do, what is the general message? Does it say to make sacrifices of what you'd prefer to do, prefer to go around talking about for instance, to sacrifice that personal pleasure/personal preference...to give it up for the sake of the weak?

Read and see.

Well thank you for your suggestion of sleep and prayer!

I sleep well and pray often daily thank you!

If the universe were old I would agree with you! But the earth is older than the universe by several days!

As for standing firm on this?

Jude 1:3
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

I will not yield one part of scripture to science falsely so called- especially when validatable science supports the plain nirmal reading of SCripture!

And as this thread is on a creation revolution discussion- It is going to weigh heavy on those topics!

As for 1 Cor. 8. It does not even hint to abandon biblical soundness for the sake of weaker people. None of us are called to compromise Scripture for the sake of one who doesn't understand!

If this were a thread on salvation- I would not be talking about creation as oppossed to the religious doctrine of evolution.

 

[mark kennedy]

Well thank you for your suggestion of sleep and prayer!

I sleep well and pray often daily thank you!

If the universe were old I would agree with you! But the earth is older than the universe by several days!

As for standing firm on this?

Jude 1:3
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

I will not yield one part of scripture to science falsely so called- especially when validatable science supports the plain nirmal reading of SCripture!

And as this thread is on a creation revolution discussion- It is going to weigh heavy on those topics!

As for 1 Cor. 8. It does not even hint to abandon biblical soundness for the sake of weaker people. None of us are called to compromise Scripture for the sake of one who doesn't understand!

If this were a thread on salvation- I would not be talking about creation as oppossed to the religious doctrine of evolution.

The universe is created in Genesis 1:1, creation week does not start till the next verse.

 

[Halbhh]

Well thank you for your suggestion of sleep and prayer!

I sleep well and pray often daily thank you!

If the universe were old I would agree with you! But the earth is older than the universe by several days!

As for standing firm on this?

Jude 1:3
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

I will not yield one part of scripture to science falsely so called- especially when validatable science supports the plain nirmal reading of SCripture!

And as this thread is on a creation revolution discussion- It is going to weigh heavy on those topics!

As for 1 Cor. 8. It does not even hint to abandon biblical soundness for the sake of weaker people. None of us are called to compromise Scripture for the sake of one who doesn't understand!

If this were a thread on salvation- I would not be talking about creation as oppossed to the religious doctrine of evolution.

To me the soundest doctrine is not to assume anything about how much time passed during Genesis 1:1, because God did not tell us.

Not a short time, nor a long, is told to us. Any idea about how much time is just our own idea. Not in the Bible.

When we do have any idea about how much time passed during Gen 1:1, it's an idea of our own. We should not try to claim our idea about how much time in Gen 1:1 is somehow scripture. That would not be sound doctrine.

It's ok to have an idea of that particular time period. We just should not claim it is the Bible when we have an idea.


A related question comes to mind: Do you yourself personally think God created only some parts of the Universe, or all of it? If you say all of it, like me, then doesn't that mean He created the laws of nature also, then?

To me, as Creator, God created all that is, everything, and that means also the design of nature, the laws of nature.

Physics and chemistry.

They are His. His design, that He made.

 

[mark kennedy]

To me the soundest doctrine is not to assume anything about how much time passed during Genesis 1:1, because God did not tell us.

A related question comes to mind: Do you yourself personally think God created only some parts of the Universe, or all of it? If you say all of it, like me, then doesn't that mean He created the laws of nature also, then?

To me, as Creator, God created all that is, everything, and that means also the design of nature, the laws of nature.

Physics and chemistry.

They are His. His design, that He made.

Yes, absolutely something I could agree with. Then again, something a deist could agree with as a matter of fact.

 

[Halbhh]

Yes, absolutely something I could agree with. Then again, something a deist could agree with as a matter of fact.

As usual, I thought of something to add after I first posted, and so that post is now longer, helping clarify what it means in my view to think any particular quality of time, great or small, passed during Gen 1:1.

 

[mark kennedy]

As usual, I thought of something to add after I first posted, and so that post is now longer, helping clarify what it means in my view to think any particular quality of time, great or small, passed during Gen 1:1.

That's fine, what about Genesis 1:27?

 

[Halbhh]

That's fine, what about Genesis 1:27?

It's an interesting verse in the other discussion we are in, about the manner in which Adam's sin affects us....

What are you thinking of here in this discussion about it though?

 

[mark kennedy]

It's an interesting verse in the other discussion we are in, about the manner in which Adam's sin affects us....

What are you thinking of here in this discussion about it though?

I thought it was straight forward, you agree God is the source of everything in the universe. I was asking, based on the same chapter, did God create Adam and Eve. Not a trick question.

 

[Halbhh]

I thought it was straight forward, you agree God is the source of everything in the universe. I was asking, based on the same chapter, did God create Adam and Eve. Not a trick question.

Yes, and I believe the Garden was an actual place. But not necessarily like everyday Earth we are accustomed to, I mean in more than just a couple of ways.... We can't say in my view how time passed during the Garden with the Eternal One and the Tree of Life in it, whether time there was altered. (2 Peter 3:8 may be only a hint even). Was time there timeless, or different, then here? I think it likely (my guess). Perhaps considerable time would pass in the outside world of Earth while Adam and Eve walked with God in the Garden.

 

[mark kennedy]

Yes, and I believe the Garden was an actual place. But not necessarily like everyday Earth we are accustomed to, I mean in more than just a couple of ways.... We can't say in my view how time passed during the Garden with the Eternal One and the Tree of Life in it, whether time there was altered. (2 Peter 3:8 may be only a hint even). Was time there timeless, or different, then here? I think it likely (my guess). Perhaps considerable time would pass in the outside world of Earth while Adam and Eve walked with God in the Garden.

So do you think earth will one day be like the garden of Eden?

 

[Halbhh]

So do you think earth will one day be like the garden of Eden?

Interesting question. We don't know much about the New Earth that God will bring about.

 

[mark kennedy]

Interesting question. We don't know much about the New Earth that God will bring about.

I think it will be bigger and better myself, just threw that one out there to see what you would say.

 

[Halbhh]

I think it will be bigger and better myself, just threw that one out there to see what you would say.

Isaiah 11:6 The wolf will live with the lamb, and the leopard will lie down with the goat; the calf and young lion and fatling will be together, and a little child will lead them.

Could it happen just like that literally too?

 

[RageOfAngels]

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[nolidad]

To me the soundest doctrine is not to assume anything about how much time passed during Genesis 1:1, because God did not tell us.

Not a short time, nor a long, is told to us. Any idea about how much time is just our own idea. Not in the Bible.

When we do have any idea about how much time passed during Gen 1:1, it's an idea of our own. We should not try to claim our idea about how much time in Gen 1:1 is somehow scripture. That would not be sound doctrine.

It's ok to have an idea of that particular time period. We just should not claim it is the Bible when we have an idea.


A related question comes to mind: Do you yourself personally think God created only some parts of the Universe, or all of it? If you say all of it, like me, then doesn't that mean He created the laws of nature also, then?

To me, as Creator, God created all that is, everything, and that means also the design of nature, the laws of nature.

Physics and chemistry.

They are His. His design, that He made.

Well Genesis 1:1-1:2 is part of the first day if you accept the usage of Hebrew.

Yes God made all the universe and all the laws- but macro evolution is not part of it.

 

[Halbhh]

Well Genesis 1:1-1:2 is part of the first day if you accept the usage of Hebrew.

Yes God made all the universe and all the laws- but macro evolution is not part of it.

Regardless of different ways to read the wording, we don't need anything elaborate. The simplest way works fine -- that verse 1 describes things that happen before verse 2, and verse 2 before verse 3, and so on. This fits all other scripture and also what we can see around us too.

 

[nolidad]

Regardless of different ways to read the wording, we don't need anything elaborate. The simplest way works fine -- that verse 1 describes things that happen before verse 2, and verse 2 before verse 3, and so on. This fits all other scripture and also what we can see around us too.

For ones self that is true! But if one is defending he truth of Gods Word and why we believe what we believe, we need study.

 

[Halbhh]

For ones self that is true! But if one is defending he truth of Gods Word and why we believe what we believe, we need study.

Yes, and the gold standard of study is full, entire reading, of all the Bible, so as to have entire and full context. This matters more than people usually think. For instance to read Joshua without reading passages like Deuteronomy 12:29-31 could cause a person to have a crisis of faith, possibly. Or another dramatic example is that it's not enough to only have Genesis chapters 18 and 19 to understand why Sodom and her sister cities were destroyed, but one needs much more extensive reading, so that they encounter the actual reasons given to us by the Lord Himself in Ezekiel chapter 16. I've gradually begun to think it's entirely impossible to accurately understand quite a few crucial things in the Old Testament without having read the entire Old Testament (within the last 10 or 20 years at the longest). A person can have a lot without that entire full reading... but not the total understanding we can gain with that full (re)reading, with the humble attitude of expecting to learn.

 

[nolidad]

Yes, and the gold standard of study is full, entire reading, of all the Bible, so as to have entire and full context. This matters more than people usually think. For instance to read Joshua without reading passages like Deuteronomy 12:29-31 could cause a person to have a crisis of faith, possibly. Or another dramatic example is that it's not enough to only have Genesis chapters 18 and 19 to understand why Sodom and her sister cities were destroyed, but one needs much more extensive reading, so that they encounter the actual reasons given to us by the Lord Himself in Ezekiel chapter 16. I've gradually begun to think it's entirely impossible to accurately understand quite a few crucial things in the Old Testament without having read the entire Old Testament (within the last 10 or 20 years at the longest). A person can have a lot without that entire full reading... but not the total understanding we can gain with that full (re)reading, with the humble attitude of expecting to learn.

Absolutely! The bible is an integrated whole! Many passages where action is done can be quite incomprehensible without prior books being read.

I always encourage newewr believers to become immersed first in the Epistles and gospels. Do the 5 psalms and one proverbs a day as well.'

Once they are immersed in the New- thenthey should tackle the old. That does not preclude studies in the old but Christians should know well the New first.

 

[nolidad]

Sound Christian doctrine is found by taking in 100% of the New Testament I think. Not partial reading.

Our disagreement about guessing about the time passing during verse 1 of Gen 1:1 is mere speculation -- of little meaning except when it blocks some from finding God, who are lost, not yet saved. If something thinks the Earth is old, and then some person instead of preaching them the saving gospel gives them a young Earth theory, then it's a huge mistake, as it merely makes the Bible appear (an illusion) as if merely mistaken, when in reality the Bible does not specify the age of Earth at all, not even a bit.

Have you confessed your sins, and fallen on Jesus Christ as your Redeemer? If so, go and spread the gospel message Christ preached.

You are conflating things here. The gospel message is what saves people! But once they are saved they need to be trained in the word of God and doctrine! The gospel is the start of a long journey of faith.

And the bible clearly teaches a young earth if the words are allowed to stand as written.

Evangelists whould be focused on the gospel message like Billy graham was. But pators and teachers need to train up the saints in the word! And creation is part of the word especially seeing how this is where the secular world has mounted one of its most fiercest attacks!