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Creationist Philosophy

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It seems that as more is discovered about how life works (particularly when it directly involves evolution) the more depressing the thinking behind Creationism becomes. Does Christianity really support the following:


1. All living beings, even the Earth itself, is slowly atrophying. This is either because Adam brought sin into the world or because God created everything in its perfect, complete form which is gradually 'winding down'. Evolution cannot happen because nothing is getting better.
This is basically a very pessimistic idea as it suggests that God has abondoned us; indeed many evolutionists accuse creationists of being 'deists'. I would even say that according to this argument Jesus did not come down here teach us how to make the world a better place (what's the point? Everything's just getting worse) but is simply offered as a sort of 'get out of jail free' card. Believe in him and when you die you'll leave this miserable world forever.

2. Evolution teaches us 'survival of the fittest', where you survive by killing the weak and favouring the strong. Death and disease is everywhere. Our genes break down with age. How could a loving God make such a cruel world? This probably relates to the first argument: God made the world perfect, we cheesed him off, he's now abandoned us to our fate. He offers Jesus to those who can't stand this planet and want to get off. I also suspect this line of reasoning it what turns many Christians into atheists.

3. In order to prove Creationism true, God must have created the everything in such a specific way that any slight variation would cause it to go wrong. Whether or not they intend it this idea suggests variety is a bad thing. Things have to be done this way or else. It also suggests that living things are not independant of God, that they can't possibly do anything without him. Our relationship to Him is a clingy, parasitic one.
Even worse, if all things are guided by God does this mean he made people deformed / disabled / retarded on purpose? This doesn't seem to be the case, as Jesus healed people on many occasions.


This doom-and-gloom philosophy isn't central to Creationism, but seems to have been inferred by various individual creationists until it became the norm. If we were to travel back a few centures, when creationism was a genuinely valid theory, I doubt many of it's supporters would have agreed with them.
 

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Caution: Droning post ahead.

It seems that as more is discovered about how life works (particularly when it directly involves evolution) the more depressing the thinking behind Creationism becomes. Does Christianity really support the following:


1. All living beings, even the Earth itself, is slowly atrophying. This is either because Adam brought sin into the world or because God created everything in its perfect, complete form which is gradually 'winding down'. Evolution cannot happen because nothing is getting better.
This is basically a very pessimistic idea as it suggests that God has abondoned us; indeed many evolutionists accuse creationists of being 'deists'. I would even say that according to this argument Jesus did not come down here teach us how to make the world a better place (what's the point? Everything's just getting worse) but is simply offered as a sort of 'get out of jail free' card. Believe in him and when you die you'll leave this miserable world forever.

2. Evolution teaches us 'survival of the fittest', where you survive by killing the weak and favouring the strong. Death and disease is everywhere. Our genes break down with age. How could a loving God make such a cruel world? This probably relates to the first argument: God made the world perfect, we cheesed him off, he's now abandoned us to our fate. He offers Jesus to those who can't stand this planet and want to get off. I also suspect this line of reasoning it what turns many Christians into atheists.

3. In order to prove Creationism true, God must have created the everything in such a specific way that any slight variation would cause it to go wrong. Whether or not they intend it this idea suggests variety is a bad thing. Things have to be done this way or else. It also suggests that living things are not independant of God, that they can't possibly do anything without him. Our relationship to Him is a clingy, parasitic one.
Even worse, if all things are guided by God does this mean he made people deformed / disabled / retarded on purpose? This doesn't seem to be the case, as Jesus healed people on many occasions.


This doom-and-gloom philosophy isn't central to Creationism, but seems to have been inferred by various individual creationists until it became the norm. If we were to travel back a few centures, when creationism was a genuinely valid theory, I doubt many of it's supporters would have agreed with them.

Everything has two or more sides. On those three you listed, you described them downward to creationist. But I can look everyone of them upward. For example, atrophying is not necessary negative and the cursed earth is still very very beautiful.

On the other hand, evolutionist claimed that they have thousands of evidences. But I dare to say, EVERYONE of those evidences can be easily argued upon. Their life, in fact, is much harder than that of creationist.

The most important thing is that to all features of life, creationist has hope, and evolutionist has no hope.
 
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Everything has two or more sides.
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My hope is built on nothing less, than Jesus' blood and righteousness.

I know what I said will be miss read.

I mean in the study of sciences, all evolutionists will have is more and more questions. That will certainly crash their morale because it is an endless pit. Creationists will see the same thing. But the same situation will certainly not depress creationist, but encourage them.
 
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I know what I said will be miss read.

I mean in the study of sciences, all evolutionists will have is more and more questions. That will certainly crash their morale because it is an endless pit. Creationists will see the same thing. But the same situation will certainly not depress creationist, but encourage them.
Actually, the scientific enterprise thrives on generating new questions. It's what creates jobs. It would be a sad day for scientists if there were no new questions to answer.

This is why I don't believe you when you say you're a scientist.
 
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I have always enjoyed the part about carnivores like lions and tigers not eating meat before the Fall and, instead, grazing on grass and plants like cattle......

:D

Alongside the grazing T-rex, velociraptors, cobras, etc...

^_^
This thing musta been looking for sea cucumbers* in the ocean...
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*yes, I know sea cucumbers are actually animals.
 
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juvenissun

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including a funny side?

I guess you can't see it. When an ant (?) crawling on the surface, yes, the ant only crawled on one side, but does it also feel up, down, left, right, forward and backward?
 
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:D

Alongside the grazing T-rex, velociraptors, cobras, etc...

^_^
This thing musta been looking for sea cucumbers* in the ocean...
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*yes, I know sea cucumbers are actually animals.

THAT looks really scary...now I'll have night mares, thankyou!
It makes me glad that it evolved into something with less teeth, or died out all together!
Atleast now, I can swim at the beach in relative safety!
 
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Freezerman wrote:
THAT looks really scary...now I'll have night mares, thankyou!
It makes me glad that it evolved into something with less teeth, or died out all together!

:D Yes, and they are scary to males of the their species too, who end up getting absorbed by the females, with only their testicles remaining! Very weird.

They exist today - yes, with all those teeth. However, you are correct:


Atleast now, I can swim at the beach in relative safety!

Because they only live in the deepest, darkest parts of the ocean.


On a more serious note, (and on topic) - one of the most damaging implications of creationism I've realized is that creationism implies that God is either incompetent or cruel. In the animal kingdom, and indeed in our own bodies, we see organs and such that are simply stupidly designed. If one of my engineers designed something as stupidly as whoever designed the prostate gland or the giraffe's neck nerve, he or she would be fired. There are too many examples to count, and any biologist knows of many of them, regardless of which part of the animal kingdom they study. This has opened up yet another area where attacking evolution ends up making Christians look ignorant and stupid.

For instance, from a newspaper article on "Intelligent Design":
I do wonder whether proponents of ID have really thought this through. It seems to me that teaching ID in schools could end up hurting belief far more than helping it. Because if we were designed by God, it wasn't on one of His better days.

If God is great, why is he such a bad designer?

-Papias
 
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