Creationism vs. Everything

Abramsthicket said:

The creation vs Evolution debate which seems to rage everywhere is badly defined. It should really be the creation vs everything in the real world debate. Astronomy, Cosmology, Geography, archaeology, philosophy, geology, History, Psychology, Biology, Evolution, and reason. Just look up at night, or look at the sea on a clear day, or the life teeming in a clod of earth, and you will see obvious reasons why creationism is just plain wrong.


Now, can we have some sort of debate.

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avdrummerboy said:

So now we chage the htpothesis to fit the theory. It doesn't matter if it came from some other form of energy, it all started somewhere at sometime by something or someone of very great power.

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avdrummerboy said:

Do you belive in science? If yes, and it sounds like you do, then you must belive in physics. In this there is a UNIVERSAL law (ie throughout the universe, no exceptions) called the First law of Thermodynamics. This law has been proven by many time and time again, we even did it in High school science calsses to a lesser extent. The first law states that "matter (energy) can not be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another." Now that this has been established, the big bang theory is just plain dumb. It makes no sense. It basically states that "nothing" exploded into "everything." It breaks the law and is clearly not true. In order for the universe to form something or someone of greater power had to create it, it came from that greater power. As a christian, I believe that that person is God the Father. He not only created the universe but put (scientific) law and order in it. Some like to argue that the universe is a chaotic system and you can't have ordered chaos, but if you do a little research, you will find that scientists are discovering that the universe is much more ordered that first expected.

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avdrummerboy said:

Do you belive in science? If yes, and it sounds like you do, then you must belive in physics. In this there is a UNIVERSAL law (ie throughout the universe, no exceptions) called the First law of Thermodynamics. This law has been proven by many time and time again, we even did it in High school science calsses to a lesser extent. The first law states that "matter (energy) can not be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another." Now that this has been established, the big bang theory is just plain dumb. It makes no sense. It basically states that "nothing" exploded into "everything." It breaks the law and is clearly not true. In order for the universe to form something or someone of greater power had to create it, it came from that greater power. As a christian, I believe that that person is God the Father. He not only created the universe but put (scientific) law and order in it. Some like to argue that the universe is a chaotic system and you can't have ordered chaos, but if you do a little research, you will find that scientists are discovering that the universe is much more ordered that first expected.

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avdrummerboy said:

Same difference really. something or Someone had to be more powerful that the universe they created, according to the laws of science, which cannot be discarded for just because they don't fit. The question then is WHO?

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