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Asimis said:And? Surely you don't think that The Bible fell down from heaven to be left at the mercy of the interpretation of every individual believer, right?
Excuse me?TheBear said:Either that, or you're steering the discussion.
Are you telling ME this or the others?Either way, enough already. Discuss it in the appropriate thread.
You hypocrite --- you've got the nerve!Stay on topic.
For the third time: Do you have a problem with God giving us His Word in English?dawiyd said:NO, NO, NO
""...followed by perfect translation." = Psalm 12:7"
7. The sayings of the Lord are pure sayings, like silver refined, exposed to the earth, clarified sevenfold.
Now stop distorting Jewish scripture.
AV1611VET said:For the third time: Do you have a problem with God giving us His Word in English?
AV1611VET said:For the third time: Do you have a problem with God giving us His Word in English?
I couldn't agree more.rmwilliamsll said:There is nothing "lazy" about creationists or their science.
for not being lazy there appears to be an abnormally large number of new posters that come through here, posting Hovindisms, demonstrating that they know nothing about the science they criticize then disappearing when it is obvious that they are ignorant of the issues.
that appears to me to be intellectual laziness, especially when people seem unable to spend even a few minutes googling to see what the issues are ....
LOL, it was too tempting to google "dell comics + bible" it's amazing what you find out there.AV1611VET said:No --- if it was that easy --- Dell Comics would be printing the Bible.
And yet, as time goes on and more is discovered about the workings of nature, the more we find these workings to be in sharp contrast to the Bible, rather than in harmony with it.JohnR7 said:That is exactly right. The Bible sets the standard for the truth. Just like a carpenter needs a few basic tools to get the job done. So with the Bible in effect we can say: That is not square, or that is not level or that is not plumb. They can argue against that but time is always on the side of the truth. In time the truth will always be known. People maybe able to get away with something for a short while, but time will catch up with them.
God only gives us so much time, and then that is it. That is why we need to make the best use we can of the little bit of time we are given.
Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,
Ever own an aquarium, John?JohnR7 said:You really need to look into Noah's Flood. Recently National Geographics did a special on it. Even to this day the salt water and fresh water have not mixed. One is in a layer below the other. In fact, that is where science establishs their date for the flood is when there was a switch from fresh water to salt water fish. Of course the exactly moment in time when the fish went from being fresh water to sale water fish is a little bit difficult to determine. But science has a date they go by.
Of course the YEC's version of the flood may not hold water. But that does not fasify the Bible. As more information becomes available then Science helps us to better understand Noah's story in the Bible.
So, again, why aren't newer translations better? They should be, according to the logic you gave yourself. Why pretend efforts stopped in 1611?AV1611VET said:If the time comes --- and I don't think it will --- He will give us another perfect translation. Until then, how about you help out with translating the AV1611 in one of those dialects? Okay. (Or at least help finance one?)
That's very nice, AV1611VET. So you found someone who wrote a book which agrees with your view. Do you suppose there aren't sereral more which could be found that agree with your view? Do you suppose there aren't several which agree with my view?AV1611VET said:From a Q & A book I have:
Another unsupportable assumption. What makes you think God gave us the Bible in English when any credible history lesson will reveal that men, not God, performed the translation?AV1611VET said:Dawiyd, what do you have against God giving us His Word in English? After all, I'd like to know what He said just as much as the next guy.
And too, I'd kinda like to think He's still on the throne, making sure His Word is available to me. Is there a problem with that, or do the Hebrews just have a monopoly on His Words?
But you can't show that God wrote the Bible. It can be shown that men wrote it, translated it, edited it, translated it some more, marketed it, and told everyone who would listen that it was the word of God.AV1611VET said:From God:
It was not meant to detract more then to add. You said "the evidence only counts", I was just trying to add that yes the evidence counts but the best current explanation will require persuasion in order to keep the readers interest.Tomk80 said:But that, again, was not the point of what I said. Whether something is the best explanation of the current facts, doesn't change if someone rejects that. Whether people accept something as the best current explanation of certain facts, is of course something entirely different.
Certainly a great many people believe that to be the case. But what I'm trying to demonstrate is why people believe that -- upon what do they base such a belief?kopilo said:Because he is a fundamentalist?
That said I do believe the original bible was written by men but by God's words.
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