I totally understand.....so, you will never believe.
My standard for belief is evidence. I didn't set out to not believe in God, it just happens that it's a proposition I can't currently uphold.
It describes it just fine for many. I don't know what you would need to have it describe what you expect.
Or it doesn't do anything of the sort. See, you've started with the proposition that you are correct again.
You see, If you start from a proposition that you are ignorant (which is where I start), you can't get where you hold the unquestionable truth without some actual means of discovering the truth and distinguishing it from falsity.
I don't have a mental block. As a Christian I am able to see things that you are not. And, I cannot show or explain it to you because you are the one who has the mental block.
I already demonstrated your mental block in that you hadn't considered a whole catagory of possibility's. This means you are either unpracticed at doubting your positions or unwilling to doubt them.
You can't explain it because it isn't reasonable.
You couldn't give me the rational first step in how one receives guidance from God himself.
I don't need to waste my time with someone who is not searching. They are quite the opposite. They are adamant that they are right and out to change me.
If someone is searching, I can explain my views, experiences and understandings.
You are cemented in your footprints. You are not willing, capable or even have the desire to step in my direction.
There is a difference between someone searching for truth and someone willing to accept whatever you say as sacrosanct regardless of how you arrived at it.
I'm the former.
That I don't see you as authoritative on any subject should be evident.
Just what is that? The misrepresented ideas of people like you?
That you don't believe there is a God? That the bible is circular reasoning? That I am blind, unintelligent, naive, have a mental block?
No, those are the things I have actually said myself. Except I didn't call you blind, unintelligent or naive. I said you have a mental block because you clearly don't seem have the capacity to doubt your assumptions.
That you are the holder of truth?
Did I claim that?
Well, tell me something I don't know..... Exactly how am I misrepresent your ideas? You make it quite clear that I am a fool....in your eyes?
Well first, the claim I made was (
and I quote) "people like you often misrepresent people like me".
So, we're not starting off on a very good foot here now are we?
I didn't claim to be the "holder of truth" (feel free to quote me if you see otherwise).
You've claimed my reasoning is circular without much support.
I have never said you were unintelligent (you are probably getting that impression from what I have said though), or a fool. I did say you aren't very good at talking to people who disagree with you. I also sincerely questioned your ability to understand unbelievers given how you are approaching one. I also questioned your temperament in an unspecified way that leads me to think that you aren't the most understanding of people who disagree with you. I have said I don't think you are good at reasoning and I questioned your judgement (mainly because I value reasoning in judgement). That was an evidence based claim where I could cite circular reasoning, the reverse claim of circular reasoning and the appeal to ignorance. I have said you have a mental block, and are block headed (meant in the same sense), as demonstrated based upon the idea that you couldn't fathom how you could be correct about God existing while incorrect about God's nature.
You have said I am not searching, which is simply incorrect (as I said I wouldn't engage with people of differing ideas if I found it of little value).
Like I said, if you were here to learn and try to understand my beliefs and view.........instead of coming here to basically tell me that I am a fool for putting my faith in a book of stories, I would then take some time.
Oh you've done plenty to educate me, just not how you intended.
I didn't call you a fool either. That's not something I would say. I may accuse you of some psychological projection there though (because it seems appropriate given you started with citing a verse calling me a fool for not already agreeing with you).
I would call your beliefs "unsupported", and move on. Your original, authoritative claim on what GOD thinks (the one that drew my attention and simple retort) is certainly unsupported.
I would have left it at the simple retort as well but you seem to wish to wallow.
It's like you are in a car with no brakes, you pass a sign that says "Turn around, bridge out, road closed" Yet the sign is old and in a foreign language. You just say... it's old, it's translated wrong...... I don't have any proof that it is true.... keep driving...
Yes, well, we get pretty objective and obvious feedback on situations like that.
Were religion the same I would probably be on your side of things.
