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<blockquote data-quote="Zadok" data-source="post: 236560" data-attributes="member: 1960"><p>Sorry, I didn't get a chance to reply sooner. My forum thingy won't let me post quotes and stuff now. I wonder why? What could I have disabled. </p><p></p><p>"I have not claimed that all CHRISTIANS are flat-earthers. I pointed out that I believed Zadok's point was that the same reasoning that leads to CREATIONISM also must lead to the flat-earth position." </p><p></p><p>Thats exactly what I am implying. </p><p></p><p>"And you forgot this one: </p><p></p><p>Isaiah 40:18-26 </p><p>18 To whom then will you liken God? Or what likeness will you compare to Him? 19 The workman molds an image, The goldsmith overspreads it with gold, And the silversmith casts silver chains. 20 Whoever is too impoverished for such a contribution Chooses a tree that will not rot; He seeks for himself a skillful workman To prepare a carved image that will not totter. 21 Have you not known? Have you not heard? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? 22 <B>It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,</B> And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in." </p><p></p><p>No, I didn't forget that verse, its always been up there. That just shows that god is really high in heaven looking down on the earth, he sees the people as small and far away like grasshoppers.</p><p></p><p></p><p>"Can you clearly "prove" the Bible says the Earth is flat? Without taking it out of context or misinterpreting it?" </p><p></p><p>Yes, this is reflected in the extra biblical writtings and texts of the time it was being compiled and now (can we say, APOCRYPHA?). Also a little common sense dosn't hurt. </p><p></p><p>"I noticed a typo here &amp; there in zadock's post, so I am not given to believe that he copied and pasted it." </p><p></p><p>No I didn't cut and paste it. I was bored saturday morning and went chapter per chapter based on my bible knowledge and picked what I thought represented the beliefs at the time. I think I picked some good verses. I hope to compile more through time. Where was my typo? </p><p></p><p>"Likewise, no-one can prove that spherical earthism (or heliocentrism, etc..) are non-Biblical, because the "proof" relies on a&nbsp;specific interpretation of the Biblical passages above... If we are to be flexible enough to interpret those passages in light of scientific knowledge, why are we not also flexible enough to interpret the Genesis account in light of scientific knowledge as well?" </p><p></p><p>Sorry, the evidence for the genesis account dosn't add up with conventional science. Also, you cannot invoke the supernatural in science. </p><p></p><p>And if scientific knowledge shows a flat earth in the bible, what water does the genesis account hold? Why a litteral genesis when the rest of the bible preaches 'flat earth'? That seems conflicting to me. </p><p></p><p>I think you need to look back at what was happening hundreds of years ago. When they proposed the heliocentric solar system, it was met with anger and threats. This is because the bible clearly and blatently states that the earth is flat, heaven is up, hell (sheol, the underworld or whatever word you wanna use) is below the earth. </p><p></p><p>It is interesting to note that the babylonians use to make towers called 'ziggurats' that would ascend into the heavens to get the sky gods attention. This story is mimicked in the "tower of babel". This is just more evidence that some of the old testament stories were taken from the surrounding cultures and societies at the time. The biblical flood is just one such example. </p><p></p><p>Just look at it this way, the higher you go, the closer you are to god. This is always and clearly reflected in the bible. God always 'came down' to earth to converse or destroy. Things always 'came down' out of heaven. People would always go 'up' to heaven (enoch, jesus, jacob's ladder, angles going back to god), and would usually do it from high mountain tops (mount olive, mount ararat, the mount where moses recieved the first of the commandments). </p><p></p><p>All in all, the bible clearly and utterly states a flat earth, with the heavens above, with water above them and with god in heaven (zion) above all in his tent or tabernacle. </p><p></p><p>&nbsp;</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zadok, post: 236560, member: 1960"] Sorry, I didn't get a chance to reply sooner. My forum thingy won't let me post quotes and stuff now. I wonder why? What could I have disabled. "I have not claimed that all CHRISTIANS are flat-earthers. I pointed out that I believed Zadok's point was that the same reasoning that leads to CREATIONISM also must lead to the flat-earth position." Thats exactly what I am implying. "And you forgot this one: Isaiah 40:18-26 18 To whom then will you liken God? Or what likeness will you compare to Him? 19 The workman molds an image, The goldsmith overspreads it with gold, And the silversmith casts silver chains. 20 Whoever is too impoverished for such a contribution Chooses a tree that will not rot; He seeks for himself a skillful workman To prepare a carved image that will not totter. 21 Have you not known? Have you not heard? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth? 22 <B>It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,</B> And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in." No, I didn't forget that verse, its always been up there. That just shows that god is really high in heaven looking down on the earth, he sees the people as small and far away like grasshoppers. "Can you clearly "prove" the Bible says the Earth is flat? Without taking it out of context or misinterpreting it?" Yes, this is reflected in the extra biblical writtings and texts of the time it was being compiled and now (can we say, APOCRYPHA?). Also a little common sense dosn't hurt. "I noticed a typo here & there in zadock's post, so I am not given to believe that he copied and pasted it." No I didn't cut and paste it. I was bored saturday morning and went chapter per chapter based on my bible knowledge and picked what I thought represented the beliefs at the time. I think I picked some good verses. I hope to compile more through time. Where was my typo? "Likewise, no-one can prove that spherical earthism (or heliocentrism, etc..) are non-Biblical, because the "proof" relies on a specific interpretation of the Biblical passages above... If we are to be flexible enough to interpret those passages in light of scientific knowledge, why are we not also flexible enough to interpret the Genesis account in light of scientific knowledge as well?" Sorry, the evidence for the genesis account dosn't add up with conventional science. Also, you cannot invoke the supernatural in science. And if scientific knowledge shows a flat earth in the bible, what water does the genesis account hold? Why a litteral genesis when the rest of the bible preaches 'flat earth'? That seems conflicting to me. I think you need to look back at what was happening hundreds of years ago. When they proposed the heliocentric solar system, it was met with anger and threats. This is because the bible clearly and blatently states that the earth is flat, heaven is up, hell (sheol, the underworld or whatever word you wanna use) is below the earth. It is interesting to note that the babylonians use to make towers called 'ziggurats' that would ascend into the heavens to get the sky gods attention. This story is mimicked in the "tower of babel". This is just more evidence that some of the old testament stories were taken from the surrounding cultures and societies at the time. The biblical flood is just one such example. Just look at it this way, the higher you go, the closer you are to god. This is always and clearly reflected in the bible. God always 'came down' to earth to converse or destroy. Things always 'came down' out of heaven. People would always go 'up' to heaven (enoch, jesus, jacob's ladder, angles going back to god), and would usually do it from high mountain tops (mount olive, mount ararat, the mount where moses recieved the first of the commandments). All in all, the bible clearly and utterly states a flat earth, with the heavens above, with water above them and with god in heaven (zion) above all in his tent or tabernacle. [/QUOTE]
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