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Creationism as a predictive model.

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Doesn't Genesis predict the decay of creation?

Wouldn't Genesis predict 1. very large/long species in the fossil record; 2. disappearance of species of similar morphology to modern animals; 3. the loss of information by mutation and the general decay of the genome?

This is a philosophical dispute. "Transitional" fossils represent the loss of life forms, not their transition from one species to another.
 

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Doesn't Genesis predict the decay of creation?

No.

Wouldn't Genesis predict 1. very large/long species in the fossil record;

Don't see how.

2. disappearance of species of similar morphology to modern animals;

Don't see how. Until the 1800s, many Protestant clerics insisted that God would not allow a species to become extinct.

3. the loss of information by mutation and the general decay of the genome?

Don't see where. BTW, all mutations increase the amount of information in a population. Would you like to learn how?

This is a philosophical dispute. "Transitional" fossils represent the loss of life forms, not their transition from one species to another.

That's wrong, too. There are a number of documented instances of slow evolution from one species to another. Would you like to learn about that?
 
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Don't see how.
Reptiles grow until they die. Preflood humans at least were very long lived.


Don't see how. Until the 1800s, many Protestant clerics insisted that God would not allow a species to become extinct.
Wanna reconsider that line of argumentation? Even neoDarwinists are willing to put aside the (Darwinist) ideas of the 19th century.

Don't see where. BTW, all mutations increase the amount of information in a population. Would you like to learn how?
No, because they dont.

Static is not information. Jimi Hendrix notwithstanding.

Most secular genetists dont support you on this.

That's wrong, too. There are a number of documented instances of slow evolution from one species to another. Would you like to learn about that?

Love to. Lets have a look at what paleontologists have to say about rank morphology.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i4/fossils.asp

One reader wrote a letter to Dr Patterson asking why he did not put a single photograph of a transitional fossil in his book. On April 10, 1979, he replied to the author in a most candid letter as follows:
‘… I fully agree with your comments on the lack of direct illustration of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossil or living, I would certainly have included them. You suggest that an artist should be used to visualise such transformations, but where would he get the information from? I could not, honestly, provide it, and if I were to leave it to artistic licence, would that not mislead the reader?
’I wrote the text of my book four years ago. If I were to write it now, I think the book would be rather different. Gradualism is a concept I believe in, not just because of Darwin’s authority, but because my understanding of genetics seems to demand it. Yet Gould and the American Museum people are hard to contradict when they say there are no transitional fossils. As a palaeontologist myself, I am much occupied with the philosophical problems of identifying ancestral forms in the fossil record. You say that I should at least “show a photo of the fossil from which each type of organism was derived.” I will lay it on the line—there is not one such fossil for which one could make a watertight argument. The reason is that statements about ancestry and descent are not applicable in the fossil record. Is Archaeopteryx the ancestor of all birds? Perhaps yes, perhaps no there is no way of answering the question. It is easy enough to make up stories of how one form gave rise to another, and to find reasons why the stages should be favoured by natural selection. But such stories are not part of science, for there is no way of putting them to the test.

I know the response is a bit flip. The OP is a pretty simple idea, and kinda flip in its own way. The supposedly rigorous test for whether something is scientific or not, like predictive capacity, is really not all that deep. Its easy to make something sound predictive.

And there are no documented cases of slow evolution, only inference about where species came from -- well, that is the argumentative response. We are dealing in theory and philosophy. You want to say skull shapes proves a transition from one animal to another, I guess you have that right. But, its just as valid to say you have lots of similar species that are now extict after having been created independently. Or, they could all be variants within the same species -- like clydesdales and thoroughbreds.

I think we also have the right to argument that similarity in shape is just that and not necessarily a transition between species. We creationists are looking for some admission that the "transitions" are one of many possible interpretations of limited evidence. The obvious grounds for doubt is so studiously avoided that we get a bit flip at times.
 
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Doesn't Genesis predict the decay of creation?

Of course it does, see my signiture.

Wouldn't Genesis predict 1. very large/long species in the fossil record;

Not fossils but it would predict a diversity in al it's vast array. What it would require is a blueprint for adaptation that responds to changing environments and conditions. These molecular mechansms would have to be frontloaded at the creation and what you would be seeing is a law of diminishing returns as the cursed creation degrads, which is exactly what is happening.

2. disappearance of species of similar morphology to modern animals;

One principle accounts for the disappearance, not extinction but adaptation. They didn't die off they changed over time.

3. the loss of information by mutation and the general decay of the genome?

The psuedogenes would be what I would suggest is a prime example.

This is a philosophical dispute. "Transitional" fossils represent the loss of life forms, not their transition from one species to another.

I think you may have that backwards. Transitional forms represent change and their offspring did not die they simply inherited the changes. They did not generally evolve above the level of genus and even Darwin's theory recognized that. Things have evolved by design and this whole myth of universal common descent is utter fantasy and supposition. The originally created kinds did not go extinct, they simply adapted and some of the changes were eliminatd by natural selection.

The problem is that they try to twist the facts into their false assumption of no creator. Give it some thought and I'll wait for your response.

Grace and peace,
Mark
 
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