Creationism’s Evolution

[Hespera]

Sure... what is your point again?



Good luck finding an atheist who thinks in twisted circles like you do.

AV quote: Do you guys just want to yak, or do you want to address my point?

His point is that he is like a sugared up 4 yr old jumping up and down trying to get attention. Look at memememe! Address memememe!!!

Nobody is smart enough to understand mememe. If you wont talk to me i will challenge you yeah i will then you will be sorry, I will find someone who will understand me yeah, that will show you dummies.

Originally Posted by AV

Since you guys are having such a hard time focusing, I'll go ahead and make a challenge out of it --- maybe I'll get an answer from someone who can understand - (but I won't count on it, though).






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[ReverendDG]

I have no idea what point you just made here.

If tomorrow the Bible was declared our Constitution, and if tomorrow you guys were chosen to run this country the way you guys have been interpreting It here in this forum; then starting tomorrow, we're in trouble.

if the bible was declared our constitution, every christian, muslim and atheist would tell their reps to drop the bible as law like a hot potato.

no one in their right mind would want the bible for law, since not everyone agrees about god anyway.
i honestly doubt any atheists would make stoning people law, no one would agree with it.

stop making up straw-man AV.

oh btw make it a "challenge" you will get the same answer from most everyone: no one sane would use the laws from the OT as they are written, they are barbaric and insane after modern law.

 

[AV1611VET]

if the bible was declared our constitution, every christian, muslim and atheist would tell their reps to drop the bible as law like a hot potato.

And why is that --- pray tell?

Are you admitting that you wouldn't want this country to be ran according to the way you interpret the Bible?

[Please answer this.]

 

[Split Rock]

And why is that --- pray tell?

Are you admitting that you wouldn't want this country to be ran according to the way you interpret the Bible?

[Please answer this.]

We don't want this country to be run according to the way anyone interprets the Bible. Got it now??

Besides.. aren't you the one who claims you read the Bible Literally like it was a phonebook?

 

[MrGoodBytes]

And why is that --- pray tell?

Are you admitting that you wouldn't want this country to be ran according to the way you interpret the Bible?

[Please answer this.]

Obviously I can't speak for everyone here, but I certainly wouldn't want that. For example, Exodus 21 and 22 plainly state that children who curse their parents must be killed, as well as "witches" and anyone who has intercourse with an animal, which is barbaric as well as patently absurd. No society should be run based on these rules.

 

[AV1611VET]

Obviously I can't speak for everyone here, but I certainly wouldn't want that.

Perhaps then you need to rethink how you interpret the Bible.

 

[MoonLancer]

i tried to read the bible like a phone book, but all the advertisements for killing and revenge and polygamy got in the way

Perhaps then you need to rethink how you interpret the Bible.

whats their to rethink? you just intemperate it like a phone book right?

 

[thaumaturgy]

Perhaps then you need to rethink how you interpret the Bible.

You know, AV, I begin to think you aren't really interested in discussing this topic since I provided what I think is a reasonable discussion and an actual serious question in THIS POST in your parallel thread. But you didn't answer it, despite your pleas that everyone answer your questions and take your points in in great detail.

 

[Hespera]

You know, AV, I begin to think you aren't really interested in discussing this topic since I provided what I think is a reasonable discussion and an actual serious question in THIS POST in your parallel thread. But you didn't answer it, despite your pleas that everyone answer your questions and take your points in in great detail.

So is it because I raised the questions about your dispensationalism versus how many other actual christians throughout american history have acted?

Maybe you need to act with the virtue you seem to demand of others rather than just sneer at others and their "biblical scholarship". You know, sometimes people actually do talk about your points, but those seem to be the ones you conveniently ignore.

A person whose motto is "god did it, case closed" is not a person who is actually interested in discussing things like, you know, give and take. I like to think I can learn something from discussion, change my views a bit if someone points out that i didnt get something right.

Av wont give a inch because he is right / if the tiniest thing was wrong it would threaten his whole shaky platform.

Like I said his pleas for his stuff to be answered are just the actions of a mental 4 yr old jumping up and down in the living room trying to get everyone to look at him.

I was at a friends house, her little kid said something funny and we all laughed. It stopped being funny long before he'd said it the hundreth time but that one laugh gave him a lot of momentum.

This is told as a sort of parable. Maybe even AV will understand it.

 

[BananaSlug]

And why is that --- pray tell?

Are you admitting that you wouldn't want this country to be ran according to the way you interpret the Bible?

[Please answer this.]

No, WE interpret the Bible literally to show YOU how absurd it is since YOU claim the Bible has to be read literally. The requirement of reading the entire Bible literally is foolish. That is the point we try to make.
We do not want the country to be run under any interpretation of any religion.

 

[AV1611VET]

You know, AV, I begin to think you aren't really interested in discussing this topic since I provided what I think is a reasonable discussion and an actual serious question in THIS POST in your parallel thread. But you didn't answer it, despite your pleas that everyone answer your questions and take your points in in great detail.

I intend to get to that post --- I'm not going to ignore it.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Perhaps then you need to rethink how you interpret the Bible.

No need to "rethink" anything -- we already don't want to interpret it your way.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Perhaps then you need to rethink how you interpret the Bible.

You know, for a man who claims to read the Bible as literal as a phone book, you suddenly talk an awful lot about different ways of interpretation. Why don't you tell us how to interpret the following verses:

1Now these are the judgments which thou shalt set before them.
2If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.
3If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.
4If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself.
5And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free:
6Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever.
7And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
8If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.
9And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.
10If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.
11And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.
12He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
13And if a man lie not in wait, but God deliver him into his hand; then I will appoint thee a place whither he shall flee.
14But if a man come presumptuously upon his neighbour, to slay him with guile; thou shalt take him from mine altar, that he may die.
15And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
16And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
17And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
18And if men strive together, and one smite another with a stone, or with his fist, and he die not, but keepeth his bed:
19If he rise again, and walk abroad upon his staff, then shall he that smote him be quit: only he shall pay for the loss of his time, and shall cause him to be thoroughly healed.
20And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.
22If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

1If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep.
2If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him.
3If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.
4If the theft be certainly found in his hand alive, whether it be ox, or ass, or sheep; he shall restore double.
5If a man shall cause a field or vineyard to be eaten, and shall put in his beast, and shall feed in another man's field; of the best of his own field, and of the best of his own vineyard, shall he make restitution.
6If fire break out, and catch in thorns, so that the stacks of corn, or the standing corn, or the field, be consumed therewith; he that kindled the fire shall surely make restitution.
7If a man shall deliver unto his neighbour money or stuff to keep, and it be stolen out of the man's house; if the thief be found, let him pay double.
8If the thief be not found, then the master of the house shall be brought unto the judges, to see whether he have put his hand unto his neighbour's goods.
9For all manner of trespass, whether it be for ox, for ass, for sheep, for raiment, or for any manner of lost thing which another challengeth to be his, the cause of both parties shall come before the judges; and whom the judges shall condemn, he shall pay double unto his neighbour.
10If a man deliver unto his neighbour an ass, or an ox, or a sheep, or any beast, to keep; and it die, or be hurt, or driven away, no man seeing it:
11Then shall an oath of the LORD be between them both, that he hath not put his hand unto his neighbour's goods; and the owner of it shall accept thereof, and he shall not make it good.
12And if it be stolen from him, he shall make restitution unto the owner thereof.
13If it be torn in pieces, then let him bring it for witness, and he shall not make good that which was torn.
14And if a man borrow ought of his neighbour, and it be hurt, or die, the owner thereof being not with it, he shall surely make it good.
15But if the owner thereof be with it, he shall not make it good: if it be an hired thing, it came for his hire.
16And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.
17If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.
18Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
19Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.
20He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
21Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
22Ye shall not afflict any widow, or fatherless child.
23If thou afflict them in any wise, and they cry at all unto me, I will surely hear their cry;
24And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.
25If thou lend money to any of my people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury.
26If thou at all take thy neighbour's raiment to pledge, thou shalt deliver it unto him by that the sun goeth down:
27For that is his covering only, it is his raiment for his skin: wherein shall he sleep? and it shall come to pass, when he crieth unto me, that I will hear; for I am gracious.
28Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.
29Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.
30Likewise shalt thou do with thine oxen, and with thy sheep: seven days it shall be with his dam; on the eighth day thou shalt give it me.
31And ye shall be holy men unto me: neither shall ye eat any flesh that is torn of beasts in the field; ye shall cast it to the dogs.

I intentionally posted Exodus 22 in its entirety to show that these parts aren't taken out of context nor the result of quote mining. They are integral parts of a long list of commandments given directly by God (as seen in Exodus 20:1) and nowhere can we find an indication that they are meant only figuratively or temporary.

 

[AV1611VET]

You know, for a man who claims to read the Bible as literal as a phone book, you suddenly talk an awful lot about different ways of interpretation. Why don't you tell us how to interpret the following verses:

Just like the phone book.

I intentionally posted Exodus 22 in its entirety to show that these parts aren't taken out of context nor the result of quote mining.

Yes, they are taken out of context --- by you guys, when you apply them to this dispensation today.

They are integral parts of a long list of commandments given directly by God (as seen in Exodus 20:1) and nowhere can we find an indication that they are meant only figuratively or temporary.

Let me say this a second time about the witches.

Today's witches are nothing compared to the witches that operated during the Old Testament.

Today's witches have very successful jobs, dress for success, and carry laptops.

I can dress up as an Indian, live in a tepee, carry a tomahawk, and do rain dances, but that doesn't make me an Indian.

 

[MoonLancer]

Just like the phone book.Yes, they are taken out of context --- by you guys, when you apply them to this dispensation today.

I read it like a phone book. I just don't make excuses for all its evils like you do.

giving slavery a pass is despicable.